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Darwin's evolution theory?

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The Bible described the shape of the earth centuries before people thought that the earth was spherical.



  1. Isaiah 40:22
    It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
    And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
    Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
    And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
The word translated “circle” here is the Hebrew word chuwg which is also translated “circuit,” or “compass” (depending on the context). That is, it indicates something spherical, rounded, or arched—not something that is flat or square.

The book of Isaiah was written sometime between 740 and 680 BC. This is at least 300 years before Aristotle suggested that the earth might be a sphere in this book On the Heavens.

This brings up an important historical note related to this topic. Many people are aware of the conflict between Galileo and the Roman Catholic Pope, Paul V. After publishing A Dialogue on the Two Principal Systems of the World, Galileo was summoned to Rome, where he was forced to renounce his findings. (At that time, “theologians” of the Roman Catholic Church maintained that the Earth was the center of the universe, and to assert otherwise was deemed heretical.)
 
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scrips from Bible

knowledge will increase - people be running to and fro - when Jesus arrives on the Mount of Olives he will be seen from east to west - all eyes will see him - split the mount of Olives - geee the Bible might have already been speaking about TV???
 
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Dark_Lite said:
How does "circuit" and "compass" imply sphere?

Round means circle. Spherical means sphere.

so was I guess the Prophets were not talking to a God but a monkey - sorry - read the post better -

you will not read scriptures from Bible that has to do with science because it falls right on the faces of monkey makers
 
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We could not find any place in the Bible that claims that the Earth is flat, or that it is the center of the universe. History shows that this conflict, which took place at the time of the Inquisition, was part of a power struggle. As a result, scientific and biblical knowledge became casualties—an effect we still feel to this day.

you need evidence of circle?

still luv ya :)
 
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GraceInHim said:
you will not read scriptures from Bible that has to do with science because it falls right on the faces of monkey makers

No, it's because they're all out of context and misinterpreted. Round = circle. Circle = flat. Spherical = sphere. Sphere = three dimensional.

It's quite simple.
 
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Dark_Lite said:
No, it's because they're all out of context and misinterpreted. Round = circle. Circle = flat. Spherical = sphere. Sphere = three dimensional.

It's quite simple.

circle is not the only thing - there are more and more - God told the writers - they were not chimps - lol
 
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DL - you are really nice debater - meaning your not at all rude - like some people can be - I am actually LOL when I post -

this is one thing I will say - it is not proven - but it goes with Gods words

4 or 40 - 400 is Gods number to reprimand or trial period

7 or 70 is gods number of perfection

Jesus was born say 4000 yrs after Adam - 70ad Jerusalem was destroyed - 70 +/- after the birth of our Lord

God would not lie with numbers and dates of genology of the Bible men who lived

you type the number 70 or 40 or 7 or 400 - you see all the times of trouble and perfection

6 is the number of unperfect - so I think we are living in that century - 1 day is like a thousand to God and he is patient.
 
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Dark_Lite said:
Genesis is not necessarily literal...

if you look at it like in reality - the dates coinside with the birth of Jesus - for is we had ancestors for millions of years - why are we the lucky ones to get all the good stuff - in the past 50 years there have been more of everything - My Grandmom didn't have a washing machine - so why are we that generation?

Why did not a person as Abrahams time need what we use today?

hard one to explain - that is why I believe in young earth and we are about 6000 yrs old - and the earth is starting to show her age - Global warming? is part but we have to remember fossil fuel started how long ago?
 
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Do Christians believe in Darwin's evolution theory? And should Christians believe it? Do christians deny the evolution theory totally?

Just look at the fruit of Darwin's theories . . .

Darwin's theories resulted in the growth of the eugenics movement all over Europe and America after Darwin . . .

Hi "natural selection" extends to the social and moral realms, where he saw our social structure and morals as something that evolved, and not inherent in or to man's nature. Human conscience arose as an accident of natural selection which provides an apparently scientific foundation for moral relativism.
"Since," according to Darwin, "human conscience arose as an accident of natural selection, it need not have arisen in any particular form. . . and since evolution continues, many new variations of conscience shall continue to occur. Consequently, no particular variety of conscience can be judged any better or worse than any other.

" . . . evolutionary superiority (including sympathy) was gained only by the brutal struggle of survival between races, a struggle that was far from completed. Thus moral progres entailed the extermination of the "less fit" races by the more favored, or advanced, races.

The inevitability of racial extermination was derived directly frm Darwin's evolutionary arguments in the Origin (the full title of which was The Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life)
the forms which stand in closest competition with those undergoing modification and improvement will naturally suffer most. And . . it is the most closely-allied fotrms, - varieties of the same species, and species of teh same genus or of related genera, -which, from having nearly teh same structure, constitution, an d habits, generally come into the severest competition with each other; consequently, each new variety of species, during the progress of its formation, will generally press hardest on its nearest kindred, and tend to exterminate them.

Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species (New York:Mentor, 1958), chao 4, Extinction Caused . . . ", p. 112​
This argument translated directly to his assessment of the evolutionary history of human races and the necessary and beneficial extinction of the least "Favoured Races":
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage reaces. At the same time, the anthropomorphous apes [that is, the ones which look most like the savages in structure] . .. will no douobt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope . . the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.
Dariwn, Descent of Man, pt. 1, chap. 6, p 201

Above we see that Darwin equated the negro or Australian with the savage races he had just referred to . .


According to Darwin, because the sympathy of the advanced races allowed the weak and infirm to survive as oppsed to the more savage races which held to no such sympathy, and though he recognized that we could not​
"check our sympathy, if urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature . . Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind"​
Dariwn, Descent of Man, pt. 1, chap. 5, p 168-169
there was good reason to fear evolutionary backsliding. He wrote if we​
"do not prevent the reckless, the vicious and otherwise inferior members of society from increasing at a quicker rate than the better class of men, the nation will retrograde, as has occured too often in the history of the world.' "We must remember that progress is no invariable rule . .. We can only say that it depends on an increase in the actual number of the population, on the number of men endowed with high intellectual and moral facutlies, as well as on their standard of excellence."​

Dariwn, Descent of Man, pt. 1, chap. 5, p 177
The quoted sections above are from Donal De Marco and Benjamin Wiker Architects of the Culture of Death Ignatius Press, copyright 2004 section on



The question of Darwinisim goes way beyond the application of Darwin's natural selection to mere physical evolution . . . it goes to the very heart of who we are . . . and stands against the NATURAL Law God has put in place in our universe, which includes MORAL law . . .

Darwinism denies all that . . makes morality relative . . supports and promotes the growth of eugenics, the surpression and even extinction of the 'lessor races' and the unfit . . .


Should Chrsitians believe this?



Peace

 
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nephilimiyr said:
According to this recent CBS survey, Americans have rejected the theory of evolution even when it comes to theistic evolution
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtml

And something like 20-30% think the sun goes around the earth. Something like 90% think the words "God helps those who help themselves" is in the Bible. Why do we always have to be bringing up the back of the parade of nations when it comes to scientific literacy? Kids in the third world bust their asses to become engineers or doctors and we have half a nation trying to teach their kids that the bible is scientifc. It's embarassing, really.
 
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nephilimiyr said:
According to this recent CBS survey, Americans have rejected the theory of evolution even when it comes to theistic evolution
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtml
I am glad to hear that!

Darwin's theory has been a theory for close to 150 years! With all the science today,it still remains a theory! If it was a law then we would have to throw out entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Too bad it is largely viewed as a law today!
 
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thereselittleflower said:
Just look at the fruit of Darwin's theories . . .

So Darwin--along with most of his contemporaries in Europe in the early 19th Century--was a racist. He did not have the benefit of modern technology or research which indicates that human variation is pretty small.

Further, with respect to his predictions, he was merely repeating "common knowledge" of those such as Spengler regarding the rise and fall of nation-states. That "common knowledge" was wrong.

None of this invalidates the argument of Natural Selection.

I'm afraid those who wish and have wished to engage in racist thinking don't need Darwin to back them up. The "Curse of Ham" was well-established long before the time of Darwin.
 
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