Darwin's evolution theory?

[Dark_Lite]

thanks but no thanks - I go what the Bible says - and what the prophets said

What your interpretation of the Bible and prophets say, you mean...

 

[Jimmy West]

Ah, right. I forgot he speaks to you and tells you your interpretation is the only right one.

Those are your words, not mine.

 

[GraceInHim]

What your interpretation of the Bible and prophets say, you mean...

if you read it - they seen things which science found later - read it and see - the stars - moon - sun - on and on

 

[Dark_Lite]

Those are your words, not mine.

I know they're my words. How else am I supposed to make sense of your post? You didn't give a Bible verse, Church documents, or any actual objection.

 

[Dark_Lite]

if you read it - they seen things which science found later - read it and see - the stars - moon - sun - on and on

Most if not all of those are out-of-context things that had the meaning implied on them.

 

[GraceInHim]

Discovery that strands of DNA can pass between different species of primitive life-forms, thus refuting the Darwinian picture of an evolutionary tree sprouting outward and upward from an original, one-celled organism. Instead, the species of life on Earth form an extremely complex web, with new species originating not through Darwinian evolution but through the horizontal (and sometimes lateral, or sideways) transfer of genes from one species to another. It is thus impossible to use the sequenced genomes of various species to trace the alleged evolutionary history of life back to a single, common ancestor.



Reference:

• A. Lazcano, "The Never-Ending Story," American Scientist vol. 91, no. 5 (2003).

 

[Dark_Lite]

Discovery that strands of DNA can pass between different species of primitive life-forms, thus refuting the Darwinian picture of an evolutionary tree sprouting outward and upward from an original, one-celled organism. Instead, the species of life on Earth form an extremely complex web, with new species originating not through Darwinian evolution but through the horizontal (and sometimes lateral, or sideways) transfer of genes from one species to another. It is thus impossible to use the sequenced genomes of various species to trace the alleged evolutionary history of life back to a single, common ancestor.



Reference:

• A. Lazcano, "The Never-Ending Story," American Scientist vol. 91, no. 5 (2003).

So? It's an essay from a peer-reviewed journal. There's all sorts of different views out there.

 

[GraceInHim]

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Now if God made it plain to them since creation - why wasn't Lucy mentioned in the Bible?

 

[Kripost]

ok keep your Monkey heritage while I keep mine

creationism are more about intelligent design - which only God could of made nobody else - evolution is from one man - not God - and Lucy was a fraud.

Firstly, The theory of evolution was not from one man, but there were others who had arrived at the same conclusion at that time. You forgot to mention Alfred Russel Wallace, who is too often ignored today.

Secondly you have implied that any theory which comes from one man would be unreliable. Both theories of Special Relativity and General Relativity are from one man, not God.

 

[GraceInHim]

Firstly, The theory of evolution was not from one man, but there were others who had arrived at the same conclusion at that time. You forgot to mention Alfred Russel Wallace, who is too often ignored today.

Secondly you have implied that any theory which comes from one man would be unreliable. Both theories of Special Relativity and General Relativity are from one man, not God.

But it is still called Darwin - he created this theory - I stand corrected

 

[Dark_Lite]

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Now if God made it plain to them since creation - why wasn't Lucy mentioned in the Bible?

Why isn't gravity mentioned in the Bible?

The Bible is not a science textbook. If anything that verse applies to modern science and YECs rejecting it...

 

[Kripost]

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Now if God made it plain to them since creation - why wasn't Lucy mentioned in the Bible?

The same reason why bacterium is not mentioned as the cause of leprosy, or why Jupiter appears so small Earth. That was not what the Bible was meant for.

 

[GraceInHim]

During all recorded human history, there has never been a substantiated case of a living thing being produced from anything other than another living thing.

As yet, Evolutionism has not produced a scientifically credible explanation for the origin of such immense complexities as DNA, the human brain, and many other complex elements of the cosmos.

It is highly premature for materialists to claim that all living things evolved into existence, when science has yet to discover how even one protein molecule could actually have come into existence by natural processes.

There is no scientific proof that life did (or ever could) evolve into existence from non-living matter. Further, there is substantial evidence that spontaneous generation is impossible. Only DNA is known to produce DNA. No chemical interaction of molecules has even come close to producing this ultra-complex code which is so essential to all known life.

 

[GraceInHim]

The Earth Not Flat


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Only five hundred years ago many were convinced that Columbus would fall off the edge of the earth, because our planet was believed to be flat.

This suggestion must have sounded rather foolish to the Bible believers of that day, for God had already told them that the earth was a CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth..."

Biblical Oceanography
​

Throughout history it has been commonly believed that the ocean floors are basically smooth, like large hollowed-out bowls, but modern oceanographers know better. There are actually thousands of underwater mountains, called sea mounts, some even as high as 10,000 feet. How do you suppose the writer of the Book of Jonah had access to this information in 860 B.C.? Jonah 2:3-6 says, "For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me. Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God."

Apart from the tides, most have historically thought the oceans were like large still lakes without current. That is, until the 1800's when Matthew Fontaine Maury discovered RIVERS in the oceans. The Cromwell Current runs over thirteen thousand miles through the Pacific, and the Florida Current has over four thousand times the flow of the Mississippi. These "ocean rivers" (actually called "planktons") were finally discovered because Dr. Maury insisted on believing Psalm 8:8 literally: "The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas."

Today it is estimated that there are some thirty million trillion tons of water trapped beneath the earth's surface, and much of this water makes it's way up to the ocean floors in the form of sea springs. Although this is a fairly modern discovery, the Bible informed us of this thousands of years ago:

"Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?" (Job 38:16)

"When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:" (Prov. 8:28)

It is also known today that our ocean floors often contain giant canyons known as submarine canyons. Of course, this is nothing new. David had this knowledge in 1000 B.C.: "And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils."

Earth Suspended In Space
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Many of the ancients believed that out planet was actually resting upon the backs of certain large animals, and some even believed that some large person, such as Atlas, was holding up planet earth. Then there were some who believed that planet earth was actually hanging from the sky by a large chain or rope.

Did the Bible-believers of yesterday believe such foolishness? Of course not, because Job 26:7 had already told them what to believe: "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."

 

[Dark_Lite]

During all recorded human history, there has never been a substantiated case of a living thing being produced from anything other than another living thing.

As yet, Evolutionism has not produced a scientifically credible explanation for the origin of such immense complexities as DNA, the human brain, and many other complex elements of the cosmos.

It is highly premature for materialists to claim that all living things evolved into existence, when science has yet to discover how even one protein molecule could actually have come into existence by natural processes.

There is no scientific proof that life did (or ever could) evolve into existence from non-living matter. Further, there is substantial evidence that spontaneous generation is impossible. Only DNA is known to produce DNA. No chemical interaction of molecules has even come close to producing this ultra-complex code which is so essential to all known life.

That's basically all abiogenesis, not evolution. Evolution discusses biodiversity, not the start of life.

 

[GraceInHim]

I think a monkeys nostrils are smaller too and smushy down

 

[Dark_Lite]

The Earth Not Flat


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Only five hundred years ago many were convinced that Columbus would fall off the edge of the earth, because our planet was believed to be flat.

This suggestion must have sounded rather foolish to the Bible believers of that day, for God had already told them that the earth was a CIRCLE in Isaiah 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth..."

When since does circle = sphere?

 

[GraceInHim]

The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.

1. Genesis 22:17
   Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.

1. Jeremiah 33:22
   “As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”

1. Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars. (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)
2. The Bible also says that each star is unique.
   
   
   1. 1 Corinthians 15:41
      There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
   All stars look alike to the naked eye.* Even when seen through a telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of their light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all others.[1] (*Note: We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye, but we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim they differ from one another.)

<LI>The Bible describes the precision of movement in the universe.

1. Jeremiah 31:35,36
   Thus says the LORD,
   Who gives the sun for a light by day,
   The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
   Who disturbs the sea,
   And its waves roar
   (The LORD of hosts is His name):
   “If those ordinances depart
   From before Me, says the LORD,
   Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
   From being a nation before Me forever.”

<LI>The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.

1. Job 26:7
   He stretches out the north over empty space;
   He hangs the earth on nothing.

1. Statements Consistent With Meteorology
   
   • The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.
     
     
     1. Ecclesiastes 1:6
        The wind goes toward the south,
        And turns around to the north;
        The wind whirls about continually,
        And comes again on its circuit.
   • The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.
     
     
     
     1. Job 28:25
        To establish a weight for the wind,
        And apportion the waters by measure.
     The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.(If you are a physics enthusiast, please ignore our omission of the terms mass, gravity, and density from this comment.)
   [*]Statements Consistent With Biology
   
   
   • The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC) describes the value of blood.
     
     
     1. Leviticus 17:11
        ‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
     The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body’s temperature, and removes the waste material of the body’s cells. The blood also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical life—confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.[1]
     
   • The Bible describes biogenesis (the development of living organisms from other living organisms) and the stability of each kind of living organism.
     
     
     
     1. Genesis 1:11,12
        Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
     1. Genesis 1:21
        So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
     1. Genesis 1:25
        And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
     The phrase “according to its kind” occurs repeatedly, stressing the reproductive integrity of each kind of animal and plant. Today we know this occurs because all of these reproductive systems are programmed by their genetic codes.
     
   • The Bible describes the chemical nature of flesh.
     
     1. Genesis 2:7
        And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
     1. Genesis 3:19
        In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
        Till you return to the ground,
        For out of it you were taken;
        For dust you are,
        And to dust you shall return.
   • It is a proven fact that a person’s mental and spiritual health is strongly correlated with physical health.The Bible revealed this to us with these statements (and others) written by King Solomon about 950 BC.
     
     
     
     1. Proverbs 12:4
        An excellent wife is the crown of her husband,
        But she who causes shame is like rottenness in his bones.
     1. Proverbs 14:30
        A sound heart is life to the body,
        But envy is rottenness to the bones.
     1. Proverbs 15:30
        The light of the eyes rejoices the heart,
        And a good report makes the bones healthy.
     1. Proverbs 16:24
        Pleasant words are like a honeycomb,
        Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.
     1. Proverbs 17:22
        A merry heart does good, like medicine,
   • 
     
   [*]Statements Consistent With Hydrology
   
   
   • The bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle.
     1. Psalm 135:7
        He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
        He makes lightning for the rain;
        He brings the wind out of His treasuries.
     1. Jeremiah 10:13
        When He utters His voice,
        There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:
        “And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
        He makes lightning for the rain,
        He brings the wind out of His treasuries.”
     In these verses you can see several phases of the hydrologic cycle—the worldwide processes of evaporation, translation aloft by atmospheric circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and precipitation.
     1. Job 36:27-29
        For He draws up drops of water,
        Which distill as rain from the mist,
        Which the clouds drop down
        And pour abundantly on man.
        Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
        The thunder from His canopy?
     This simple verse has remarkable scientific insight. The drops of water which eventually pour down as rain first become vapor and then condense to tiny liquid water droplets in the clouds. These finally coalesce into drops large enough to overcome the updrafts that suspend them in the air.[1]
     
   • The Bible describes the recirculation of water.
     
     1. Ecclesiastes 1:7
        All the rivers run into the sea,
        Yet the sea is not full;
        To the place from which the rivers come,
        There they return again.
     1. Isaiah 55:10
        For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
        And do not return there,
        But water the earth,
        And make it bring forth and bud,
        That it may give seed to the sower
        And bread to the eater,
   • The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held as condensation in clouds.
     
     1. Job 26:8
        He binds up the water in His thick clouds,
        Yet the clouds are not broken under it.
     1. Job 37:11
        Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds;
        He scatters His bright clouds.
   • Hydrothermal vents[4] are described in two books of the Bible written before 1400BC—more than 3,000 years before their discovery by science.
     
     1. Genesis 7:11
        In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
     1. Job 38:16
        Have you entered the springs of the sea?
        Or have you walked in search of the depths?
     http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml
     

 

[GraceInHim]

it goes on and on

stick with the monkey? sorry rather not

 

[Dark_Lite]

it goes on and on

stick with the monkey? sorry rather not

I'm not going to bother going from that huge list you copied and pasted but....

When since does circle = sphere?