Darwinism is a Pseudo-Science (2)

[Loudmouth]

I am giving the evidence that DogmaHunter asked for.

DogmaHunter is asking for evidence of a fine tuner. Where is it?

Better yet, why don't you explain how fine tuning evidences design.

 

[justlookinla]

DogmaHunter is asking for evidence of a fine tuner. Where is it?

Better yet, why don't you explain how fine tuning evidences design.

Fine tuning is produced by random, mindless, meaningless, directionless mechanisms?

 

[Loudmouth]

Fine tuning is produced by random, mindless, meaningless, directionless mechanisms?

You answer a question with a question?

 

[justlookinla]

You answer a question with a question?

Well, it's either one or the other. There's not a fine tuner or there is a fine tuner.

 

[Loudmouth]

Well, it's either one or the other. There's not a fine tuner or there is a fine tuner.

So where is your evidence for a fine tuner?

 

[justlookinla]

So where is your evidence for a fine tuner?

The fine tuning.

 

[Loudmouth]

The fine tuning.

How is that evidence for a fine tuner?

 

[justlookinla]

How is that evidence for a fine tuner?

Fine tuning requires a tuner. Try tuning a piano just by waiting for it to tune itself.

 

[Loudmouth]

Fine tuning requires a tuner.

Based on what evidence?

Try tuning a piano just by waiting for it to tune itself.

You wouldn't have to if you declare that the piano is in tune, no matter what sound it makes.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Based on what evidence?



You wouldn't have to if you declare that the piano is in tune, no matter what sound it makes.

Talk about desperation.

 

[justlookinla]

Based on what evidence?

Based on the fact that tuning requires activity and a desired result.

You wouldn't have to if you declare that the piano is in tune, no matter what sound it makes.

Declaring the piano in tune wouldn't make it in tune.

 

[Loudmouth]

Talk about desperation.

How does fine tuning evidence a fine tuner?

Can you answer the question or not?

 

[Loudmouth]

Based on the fact that tuning requires activity and a desired result.

Where have you demonstrated this fact?

Declaring the piano in tune wouldn't make it in tune.

And yet that is exactly what you are doing. You are assuming that the universe was meant to be this way.

 

[justlookinla]

Where have you demonstrated this fact?

By the act of tuning a piano.

And yet that is exactly what you are doing. You are assuming that the universe was meant to be this way.

You're then declaring that there is no such thing as a piano being in tune. "Tuning" doesn't exist.

 

[Loudmouth]

By the act of tuning a piano.

The universe is not a piano.

You're declaring that there is no such thing as a piano being in tune. "Tuning" doesn't exist.

If you get to decide afterwards what "in tune" is, then any piano is in tune if you so declare it. Each and every piano will have a scale that is unique to that piano, and so it will be fine tuned to that scale.

 

[Oncedeceived]

How does fine tuning evidence a fine tuner?

Can you answer the question or not?

Ask DogmaHunter, his big denial point is that fine tuning does indeed point to a tuner and so he denies fine tuning all together.

 

[Loudmouth]

Ask DogmaHunter, his big denial point is that fine tuning does indeed point to a tuner and so he denies fine tuning all together.

You deny that the lottery is fine tuned, even though I showed you that it is fine tuned using the same assumptions that you are making.

 

[justlookinla]

The universe is not a piano.

Again, tuning requires activity and a desired result.

If you get to decide afterwards what "in tune" is, then any piano is in tune if you so declare it. Each and every piano will have a scale that is unique to that piano, and so it will be fine tuned to that scale.

Each and every piano is tuned according to a standard scale. By a tuner. With a desired result.

 

[Oncedeceived]

You deny that the lottery is fine tuned, even though I showed you that it is fine tuned using the same assumptions that you are making.

You made a straw man argument of it.

 

[Loudmouth]

You made a straw man argument of it.

There is the denial. It appears that you are the one denying fine tuning.