Darwin was a Racist!

[Gipper]

http://www.themythofevolution.com/Site/Evolutionists.html

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time, the anthropomorphous apes. . . will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

No, that quote wasn’t Adolf Hitler’s. It was [FONT='HelveticaNeue-Bold', 'Helvetica Neue', 'Arial', 'sans-serif']Charles Darwin[/FONT], in The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex; The Works of Charles Darwin, D. Appleton and Company, New York.





Charles Darwin is the founder of the religion of evolution, and as you can see from the quote above, thought that black people were the missing link between white people and monkeys, and thought white people were the most evolved, superior race. He also states his prediction that white people will exterminate all the inferior “savage” races sometime soon. Most people have not heard of this quote or realized it’s significance, in part because evolutionists are exceptional at preventing the spread of information that is not evolution-compliant.

 

[corvus_corax]

Charles Darwin is the founder of the religion of evolution, and as you can see from the quote above, thought that black people were the missing link between white people and monkeys, and thought white people were the most evolved, superior race. He also states his prediction that white people will exterminate all the inferior “savage” races sometime soon.

His racism is irrelevant to the theory of evolution.
It's like me coming out and saying "Oh gosh, Martin Luther was a racist!" His (Luther's) blatant and hateful racism has little bearing on most people's religious mindset. Martin Luthers blatant and hateful racism has little if any bearing on Christianity.
Likewise any racism that Darwin may have espoused bears no relevance on the Theory of Evolution.

Most people have not heard of this quote or realized it’s significance,

Actually, here on the forums we're all too familiar with it, due to the fact that every once in a while another ill-informed member comes along and starts spouting this nonsense

in part because evolutionists are exceptional at preventing the spread of information that is not evolution-compliant.

Once again (read this carefully) any racism that Darwin espoused has no bearing (absolutely NO bearing) on Evolutionary theory.

 

[UnknownUsername]

Holy crap. Godwin's Law, hard at work.

 

[The Nihilist]

http://www.themythofevolution.com/Site/Evolutionists.htmlCharles Darwin is the founder of the religion of evolution,

This is the part that makes this thread extra-dumb

 

[sbvera13]

Darwin was also sexist.

"The chief distinction in the intellectual powers of the two sexes is shewn by man's attaining to a higher eminence, in whatever he takes up, than can woman - whether requiring deep thought, reason, or imagination, or merely the use of the senses and hands"(Chapter 19, 1871 edition Darwin, Descent of Man - Chapter 19 - Secondary Sexual Characters of Man).

But then, almost every white male from Darwin's time period was sexist. This is not news. Heck, women weren't allowed to vote until 1920. That's only 87 years ago, out of 231. Racism and sexism were both around before, during, after after Darwin. This is just history, fortunately most of our society has been able to move on. The social prejudices of Darwin no longer matter to anyone.

Similarly, nearly everyone in that time period was racist as well. Consider the following.

The questions of what "race" was, how many human races there were, and whether they could be "mixed", were key debates in the nascent field of anthropology in Darwin's time. After the American Civil War (1861-1865), the question of race and slavery were brought to the forefront in anthropology in the United States and Europe. Many scientists from the Southern U.S. were publishing long monographs on why the "Negro" was inferior and would soon be driven to extinction by newfound freedom, with an implication that slavery had been not only "beneficial" but "natural". Darwin was a long-time abolitionist who had been horrified by slavery when he first came into contact with it in Brazil while touring the world on the Beagle voyage many years before, and considered the "race question" one of the most important of his day. Darwin opposed the polygenism theory, developed by scientific racist discourse, which postulated that the different human races were distinct species ("polygenism") and were likely separately "created". Darwin's own views of this were that the differences between human races were superficial (he discusses them only in terms of skin color and hair style), and much of Descent is devoted to the question of the human races. Aside from the aforementioned encounter with slavery on the Beagle, Darwin also was perplexed by the "savage races" he saw in South America at Tierra del Fuego, which he saw as evidence of a man's more primitive state of civilization.

So, compared to other scientists of his era, Darwin was actually rather enlightened and was concerned with solving the mystery of how and why different races exist. Not only does his opinion not matter anymore, thanks to the 150 years of extra research and social growth we have gone through, but the original quote misrepresents his actual attitude. You, Gipper, are a liar.

 

[gamespotter10]

http://www.themythofevolution.com/Site/Evolutionists.html

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time, the anthropomorphous apes. . . will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

No, that quote wasn’t Adolf Hitler’s. It was [FONT='HelveticaNeue-Bold', 'Helvetica Neue', 'Arial', 'sans-serif']Charles Darwin[/FONT], in The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex; The Works of Charles Darwin, D. Appleton and Company, New York.





Charles Darwin is the founder of the religion of evolution, and as you can see from the quote above, thought that black people were the missing link between white people and monkeys, and thought white people were the most evolved, superior race. He also states his prediction that white people will exterminate all the inferior “savage” races sometime soon. Most people have not heard of this quote or realized it’s significance, in part because evolutionists are exceptional at preventing the spread of information that is not evolution-compliant.

whether or not darwin was a racist is completely irrelevant.

oh, and by the way evolution is not a religion....dumbass

 

[Bombila]

Why isn't there a forum rule about copy-pasting reams of endlessly explained and/or refuted ill-informed nonsense? Think how useful this would be - it would immensely help in preventing honest posters (Christians and atheists alike) from 'stumbling' into flaming the OP of such tripe.

 

[Gracchus]

SO! I'll see your "Darwin Was a Racist" and raise you a "Jesus Was a Jew".

 

[mpok1519]

evolution is a theory not a religion. lol lol

weird.

and thank you for the info.

What this can prove to further the progression of discovery.....I have no idea.

 

[DrkSdBls]

Why isn't there a forum rule about copy-pasting reams of endlessly explained and/or refuted ill-informed nonsense? Think how useful this would be - it would immensely help in preventing honest posters (Christians and atheists alike) from 'stumbling' into flaming the OP of such tripe.

I've had this idea for a while that there should be a Sticky at the top of this Page with every Explained and/or Refuted Pratt that has been or will be brought up by the Misguilded, Ill-informed, or otherwise Deceitful memebers of this debate.

I'm sure we can put together a Comprehensive and Detailed that we can all refer during our debates without always linking to external Sites. Afterall, I think we'll all have a much better debate when when we're all more informed on just what we're debating. Once this Board has an established framework which we can all agree on, new members will more readily know what has been discussed and what is something more Interesting and Fresh to bring up.

 

[revolutio]

There's a word for trying to discredit a historical figure based on their belief systems without taking into account the common ideologies of their time. I wish I could remember what it was.

 

[[serious]]

Some other quotes for consideration:

"I have watched how steadily the general feeling, as shown at elections, has been rising against Slavery. What a proud thing for England, if she is the first European nation which utterly abolish is it. I was told before leaving England, that after living in slave countries: all my options would be altered; the only alteration I am aware of is forming a much higher estimate of the Negros character. It is impossible to see a negro & not feel kindly toward him; such cheerful, open honest expressions & such fine muscular bodies; I never saw any of the diminutive Portuguese with their murderous countenances, without almost wishing for Brazil to follow the example of Haiti; & considering the enormous healthy looking black population, it will be wonderful if at some future day it does not take place." -- Charles Darwin to Catherine Darwin (May 22 - July 14 1833) The Correspondence of Charles Darwin Vol. 1 1821-1836 (1985), pp. 312-313


On the Civil War:


"But I suppose you are all too overwhelmed with the public affairs to care for science. I never knew the newspapers so profoundly interesting. N. America does not do England Justice: I have not seen or heard of a soul who is not with the North. Some few, & I am one, even and wish to God, though at the loss of millions of lives, that the North would proclaim a crusade against Slavery. In the long run, a million horrid deaths would be amply repaid in the cause of humanity. What wonderful times we live in. Massachusetts seems to show noble enthusiasm. Great God how I should like to see the greatest curse on Earth Slavery abolished. " -- Charles Darwin to Asa Gray (June 5, 1861) The Correspondence of Charles Darwin Vol. 9 1861 (1994), p.163


These and more quotes here:
http://home.att.net/~troybritain/articles/darwin_on_race.htm


Of course, even if he were racist, why should we throw out his research? If newton were found to be racist, should we reject gravity? If Pasteur were racist should we reject vaccinations?

 

[variant]

http://www.themythofevolution.com/Site/Evolutionists.html

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time, the anthropomorphous apes. . . will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

No, that quote wasn’t Adolf Hitler’s. It was [FONT='HelveticaNeue-Bold', 'Helvetica Neue', 'Arial', 'sans-serif']Charles Darwin[/font], in The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex; The Works of Charles Darwin, D. Appleton and Company, New York.





Charles Darwin is the founder of the religion of evolution, and as you can see from the quote above, thought that black people were the missing link between white people and monkeys, and thought white people were the most evolved, superior race. He also states his prediction that white people will exterminate all the inferior “savage” races sometime soon. Most people have not heard of this quote or realized it’s significance, in part because evolutionists are exceptional at preventing the spread of information that is not evolution-compliant.

Martian Luther was a racist; perhaps that means you should be a Catholic?

 

[Dannager]

Let this thread die. No more posts, people. It's just wasting space on the front page.

 

[yasic]

If we find out that Newton was a racist, does that mean we could ignore gravity and fly?

 

[BipedalHumanoid]

Hey, do you know who else was a racist? Abraham Lincoln. OK, you're propably skeptical right now, and rightly so. However I want you to look at a few quotes.

"Negro equality! Fudge! How long, in the government of a God, great enough to make and maintain this Universe, shall there continue knaves to vend, and fools to gulp, so low a piece of demagougism as this."
(v. 3, p. 399. Fragments: Notes for Speeches, Sept. 6, 1859)

"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races--that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together in terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior. I am as much as any other man in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

...notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence--the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. I agree with Judge Douglas that he is not my equal in many respects, certainly not in color--perhaps not in intellectual and moral endowments; but in the right to eat bread without leave of anybody else which his own hand earns [the Republican version of what the other rights amount to?], he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas and the equal of every other man."
(v. 3, pp. 247-8. Sixth Debate with Steven A. Douglas at Quincy, Ill., Oct. 13, 1858)

"But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence.


It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated. ...I suppose one of the principal difficulties in the way of colonization is that the free colored man cannot see that his comfort would be advanced by it. You may believe you can live in Washington or elsewhere in the United States the remainder of your life, perhaps more so than in any foreign country, and hence you have come to the conclusion that you have nothing to do with the idea of going to a foreign country. This is (I speak in no unkind sense) an extremely selfish view of the case." (v. 5, pp. 372-5. Address on Colonization to a Deputation of Negroes, Aug. 14, 1862)

Although Lincoln has done plenty of great things in his life, quotes such as these do seem to protray him as more of a racist than some people believe. He definately wasn't as extreme as some people of his time, however I do believe that he could be classified as a racist. But do I still consider him a great man? Of course. You have to take into account the context of the time, and evaluate comments and beliefs based on that.

Same with Charles Darwin. Should we discount his scientific theory simply because of the fact that he held some ideals that over 100 years later, most people happen to disagree with? Of course not.

Oh, and if I was able to dig up some quotes of Agostino Bassi, the person often credited with having stated the germ theory of disease for the first time, and he turned out to be a racist, would germs disappear?

 

[SeraphymCrashing]

There's a word for trying to discredit a historical figure based on their belief systems without taking into account the common ideologies of their time. I wish I could remember what it was.

A lie?

 

[Gracchus]

There's a word for trying to discredit a historical figure based on their belief systems without taking into account the common ideologies of their time. I wish I could remember what it was.

It is the logical fallacy often referred to as "poisoning the well".