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Darwin vs. Kelvin - Age of the Sun

Dragar

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Back in 1862, a chap named William Thomson (though you'd better know him as Lord Kelvin) estimated the age of the sun.

Back in then, we didn't know about stars produced energy via fusion (that would have to wait until the 1930s). So Kelvin (and, independantly, another chap named Hermann von Helmholtz) estimated a timsescale for the sun, based on how long the sun would last if it shined light at the same level all during its lifetime, slowly contracting as it slowly but surely lost more and more energy to the dark and empty space around it.

The number they got out was about 30 million years.

Now, the problem was that another chap by the name of Charles Darwin had presented a new theory, a couple of years earlier. His theory required a much longer timescale, so as to account for the slow evolution of various plants and animals (both living and fossilised) by natural selection. 30 million years, even assuming life popped up the moment the sun started shining, just wasn't long enough. So somebody was wrong.

They argued.

Darwin remained utterly convinced, even to the end, that one day physicists would change their minds.

Slowly, but surely, physicists did. In the 1930s, quantum and nuclear physics solved the puzzle of where stars get their energy from. We now know it's due to fusion of hydrogen into helium, which turns mass into energy. When we take this into account, the lifetime of the sun is far above any beyond the requirements for Darwin's theory.

In other words, guys, theory of evolution predicted we didn't know all there was to know about stars, and that the sun had to have been around much longer than we thought. Darwin realised Kelvin's calculations were wrong. And you know what?

The biologists kicked the hell out of the physicists. Theory of evolution got it right.
 

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Oops. I should have explained better..I meant Lord Kelvins views on the origin of life, further down in the wikipedia article. Sorry.

I must have missed the bit about Lord Kelvins own opinions on the origin of life. Well, Charles Darwin certainly showed who's boss.
 
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Dragar said:
In other words, guys, theory of evolution predicted we didn't know all there was to know about stars, and that the sun had to have been around much longer than we thought. And you know what?

The biologists kicked the hell out of the physicists. Theory of evolution got it right.

No, what happened was that after some initial reluctance the physicists eventually joined the Darwinist conspiracy. Once they realized that an extremely old earth/sun would help destroy God, they eagerly joined the cabal.
 
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No, what happened was that after some initial reluctance the physicists eventually joined the Darwinist conspiracy. Once they realized that an extremely old earth/sun would help destroy God, they eagerly joined the cabal.

It's true. Biologists corrupted us.

Also, when we finish our degrees, I think they call us all to the office of the Head of the School, where he tells us that all that physics was finished back in 1905, and all that quantum mechanics stuff was just something we made up to keep all the physicists in work. Ah, the joys of consp-

Wait? What's that noise?

No! Don't hurt me! I wasn't telling them anyth-
 
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No, what happened was that after some initial reluctance the physicists eventually joined the Darwinist conspiracy. Once they realized that an extremely old earth/sun would help destroy God, they eagerly joined the cabal.

The level of ignorance displayed here is breathtaking. Better be careful, the second shooter on the grassy knoll may come after you.

It's true. Biologists corrupted us.

Also, when we finish our degrees, I think they call us all to the office of the Head of the School, where he tells us that all that physics was finished back in 1905, and all that quantum mechanics stuff was just something we made up to keep all the physicists in work. Ah, the joys of consp-

Wait? What's that noise?

No! Don't hurt me! I wasn't telling them anyth-

LOL. Yes, and Hydrogen Bombs don't really exist, its all a conspiracy to hide the fact that the earth is only 6000 years old. Bikini Island was NOT wiped out, it was just an illusion. All those nuclear bomb photos and films? Just fakes! Boy, I hope Japan doesn't let on that it really wasn't hit by a nuclear weapon. Imagine the embarrassment for the US!
 
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Er...And-U-Say?

We were...joking?

Er... yes. I minored in nuclear physics, so I know a little something about fission. I guess I was not clear enough on the sarcasm. I thoroughly support the point of the OP (at least, as I understand it).
 
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The Sun burns a lot of energy, but some stars burn a million times that much energy. Fusion doesn't work at explaining why they haven't fallen into COMPLETE disorder over billions of years.

Um, Why would they?

Gravity pulls them in, fusion +pressure pushes them out
 
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