Darwin Confesses evolution not being conceivable!

[Nathan David]

lol. if you call that an answer then man we are going to be here all day.

Why is "We don't know" not an acceptable answer?

 

[LadyShea]

What kind is this?

Is it the same kind as this?

This? Bunny kind or mousey kind?

Horse kind huh?
Horses - 32 pairs of Chromosomes
Donkey - 31 pairs of Chromosomes
Zebra - 22 pairs of Chromosomes

Same kind? Are something as fundamental as chromosomes a "minor" change?

Sorry, but the creationist strawman of "kinds" is useless and meaningless in the real world.

 

[blixation]

Why is "We don't know" not an acceptable answer?

Yes it is, but it's like you all answer as if it was fact or true that there is no God. Its like it is affirmed as if there was 'no' God. It's funny cause it is stated as an absolute that God doesn't exsist. To be an atheist, or A = negative Theos = God (negative-God or No God), is to say that it is an absolute that God doesn't exsist. But to affirm an absolute statement you must have absolute knowledge. But God by definiton is an absolute being. So what you are telling me is that you are god, but at the same time telling me there is no God. Foolish! But we know that not to be true, plus I haven't really found a true atheist yet, as a matter a fact there are no atheist, just agnostic. The latin equivalent for agnostic is ignoramus, one who doesn't know.

Which affirms absolutely the statement in Psalms:
"The fool (or agnostic) hath said in his heart, there is no God."

 

[Gormless]

To be an atheist, or A = negative Theos = God (negative-God or No God), is to say that it is an absolute that God doesn't exsist.

Words do not have absolute meanings, their meaning is derived from context. Many (most?) people who label themselves as "atheist" do not hold the position that "there is absolutely no god". Whether you view them as "real" atheists or not is merely your opinion.

The latin equivalent for agnostic is ignoramus, one who doesn't know.

And in the case of how the universe started, the agnostic/ ignoramus is the honest person.

Which affirms absolutely the statement in Proverbs:
The fool (or agnostic) hath said in his heart, there is no God."

This is pure fallacy. its a confusion of cause and effect (you imply that because the fool says there is no god, then anyone who says there is no god is a fool) and a red herring (a fool is not the same as an ignoramus.)

G.

 

[Meatros]

Yes it is, but it's like you all answer as if it was fact or true that there is no God. Its like it is affirmed as if there was 'no' God. It's funny cause it is stated as an absolute that God doesn't exsist. To be an atheist, or A = negative Theos = God (negative-God or No God), is to say that it is an absolute that God doesn't exsist.

Actually that's not how I (as an atheist) define *my* belief (or lack there of) and I doubt any other's would agree with your misguided definition. I'm without belief in a God, just as I'm without belief in gigantic purple smurfs. It's possible I suppose that gigantic purple smurfs (or God) exists, but I see no compelling evidence for them.

Which affirms absolutely the statement in Psalms:

"The fool (or agnostic) hath said in his heart, there is no God."

So, if your God exists, why did he create me to go to hell?

 

[blixation]

And in the case of how the universe started, the agnostic/ ignoramus is the honest person.

If you look at everything, it is truly foolish to say you don't know how everything came to be. Even small tribes in the jungles laugh at the naivety of even having a thought that there was no 'higher power' than ourselves. That's why Paul states in Romans, "For the invisable things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they (the world) are without excuse."

So, if your God exists, why did he create me to go to hell?

He didn't create you to go to hell. The reason why we go to hell is because the soul that sins it shall die. God craeted you in his image. People don't go to hell because thats how God created them but because they have sinned against God and due judgment is deserved. You break the law you have to pay the fine; same thing in Gods case you sin against you have to pay forever in eternal torment. It's that serious!! Don't take it lightly. If God is good He must by nature (like a judge) punish all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; enveous, murderers, deceitfulness, ..ect and those who have gone contrary to the ways of God. Why? because the wages of sin is death, that why we all physically die is cause we sin against God, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus.

 

[Gormless]

If you look at everything, it is truly foolish to say you don't know how everything came to be.

I disagree. If you do more than just look, but also seek to understand, it quickly becomes apparent that one has two choices: admit to not knowing everything, or hurridly invoke a god to explain away the unknown. The fool is the latter IMO.

G.

 

[Meatros]

He didn't create you to go to hell. The reason why we go to hell is because the soul that sins it shall die. God craeted you in his image. People don't go to hell because thats how God created them but because they have sinned against God and due judgment is deserved. God must by nature punish all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; enveous, murderers, deceitfulness, ..ect and those who have gone contrary to the ways of God. Why? because the wages of sin is death, that why we all physically die is cause we sin against God, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus.

So can one not believe and go to heaven? I don't sin in any other way-other then disbelief; a disbelief due to God not providing any evidence that an omnipotent God would know that I would accept.

The problem is this: If God is all knowing and all powerful, then God would know exactly what would happen-right? God also created everything, and is the reason for everything-right?

Well, then it goes to follow that not only did God create me to be an atheist, God also created me to go to hell (if non-believers go to hell)-right?

So how if what I've said is consistent and true, how could God possibly be good if God is sending people to be eternally tortured in hell?

 

[Arikay]

Ok, Darwins finches adapted adapted to their environment based on natural selection. I believe they are one of the reasons darwin came up with the idea in the first place.

So, tell me. If I were to put a specific organism in the dark, and watch it adapt to the darkness, this would not be the same if say they found themselves in a cave or covered over in nature?

As others pointed out, the nylon bug is an example of natural selection, if there was no nylon there it would have died because of competition. The mutation gave it a nitche, thus natural selection selected it because it majorly won the food competition (by finding a food source that no one else could get too).

What about them? I honestly know nothing about them, so I'm just starting to read now as a result of you mentioning them. I'm curious. Mind you, it's 6:40 AM, and there's no prayer I'll get any kind of understanding happening this early in the morning (I've yet to go to bed. I guess I won't be)


Talk about a strawman... Please, go back and read what I said to LadyShea.

 

[blixation]

I disagree. If you do more than just look, but also seek to understand, it quickly becomes apparent that one has two choices: admit to not knowing everything, or hurridly invoke a god to explain away the unknown. The fool is the latter IMO

Einstein once said, "If any scientist is willing to futher his career he must first admit the truth of a higher power."

The first is humble since you can't explain everything, the latter is wise. The things of this world are follishness in the eyes of God.

 

[Vxer1000]

So, if your God exists, why did he create me to go to hell?

He created you to go to Heaven. It is by choice you go to one place or the other. Even Einstein believed in God, but I suppose you are smarter and better informed than he. He realized that because of the immense scale and order of the universe, far too much precision was involved for it to arbitrarily evolve, hence, the universe was designed by something of a Higher order.

 

[Meatros]

He created you to go to Heaven. It is by choice you go to one place or the other. Even Einstein believed in God, but I suppose you are smarter and better informed than he. He realized that because of the immense scale and order of the universe, far too much precision was involved for it to arbitrarily evolve, hence, the universe was designed by something of a Higher order.

I'm not smarter then Einstein, but I also know that Einstein didn't believe in your God if he believed in God at all. You're appealing to authority.

Let's see a cite on this.

In any event, unless God didn't know me when he created me, then how could he have not created me to go to hell?

 

[Gormless]

Einstein once said, "If any scientist is willing to futher his career he must first admit the truth of a higher power."

He may well have done (I haven't bothered to check whether this is a misquote). But even if he did, you are now guilty of using an "appeal to authority" fallacy, so your point is worthless.

The first is humble since you can't explain everything, the latter is wise.

How can a cop out be wise?

G.

 

[-Jae-]

Einstein didn't believe in the Christian God , but I guess you are smarter and better informed then him.

Ok , see how silly those kind of arguments are?

 

[blixation]

Oh and also the reason why so many people go the route of not to believe in God, is not because of the lack of evidence, quite the contrary there are many things that point to the nessecity of a divine being. But the reason why so many choose not to beleive is because you can do whatever you want without the guilt or condemnation. To not believe, you are freed to do whatever you please without being held accountable or facing the consequences of your choices. To not believe, releases you to fulfill all the lustful desires that burns within your hearts. You want to desperatly sooth those desires that will go the route of not believing in God. Like a pig back to its mire! You know that is the truth and I know that is the truth. You can deny it all you want but one day you will face God and I do pray that Christ is your mediator. If not, you will severley pay for all your wrong-doing against God. That Is The Truth!

 

[Meatros]

Oh and also the reason why so many people go the route of not to believe in God, is not because of the lack of evidence, quite the contrary there are many things that point to the nessecity of a divine being.

First off, speak for yourself. Your opinion is noted though and again it's wrong-I mean, you couldn't provide me any evidence that the Christian God existed-yet you are saying there is evidence? So why do you not want me to go to heaven? Present this evidence!

But the reason why so many choose not to beleive is because you can do whatever you want without the guilt or condemnation.

Incorrect and wishful thinking on those who actually have the ignorance to believe this.

If not, you will severley for your wrong-doing against God. That Is The Truth!

Still waiting for the evidence which you tell me exists.

Are you sure you aren't just hoping it exists and hoping your God is real?

 

[blixation]

First off, speak for yourself. Your opinion is noted though and again it's wrong-I mean, you couldn't provide me any evidence that the Christian God existed-yet you are saying there is evidence? So why do you not want me to go to heaven? Present this evidence!

Was it not Gormless that stated the two choices one has, "to admit to not knowing everything, or hurridly invoke a god to explain away the unknown." Can you explain every little thing in the universe. No! no one is that foolish or niave. You know that! I want you to go to heaven Meatros, I really do, but you know since I can't explain every little detail of the absolute proof that God exsist does not mean he doesn't! You know this Meatros the just shall live by Faith! The belief In God without the material evidence. The belief of having secure faith or trusting acceptance that God is who he really says he is! I can't convince you, but God will make Himself known to you personally. Like the wind, you cannot see it, but you can fell its effects and its gentleness. That is the proof, Faith is the proof. Without it you will be lost. If you want material proof of Gods exsistence then you will slowly die suffering never knowing if he does or not. Confusion will be your epitaph, as you crawl and the crack the broken path, if you make it you can sit back and laugh but i'm afraid tomorrow you'll be crying. Why? Cause no one can prove He does exsis, except the effect he has on peoples lives, and no one can prove he doesn't exsist. You'll just have to wait till you die Meatros, then you'll see. but I'm truly afraid then you'll be crying.

 

[Nathan David]

Yes it is, but it's like you all answer as if it was fact or true that there is no God.

You started a thread on evolution and Darwin. No one was talking about whether or not a god exists until you brought it up. You asked where the universe came from, you got an answer, and then you brought your belief in God into it. I think you need to phrase your questions and discussion topics more carefully. If you want to discuss biology, discuss biology. If you want to discuss religion, discuss religion. But I don't understand why you're jumping back and forth between these two topics.

 

[Vxer1000]

Einstein didn't believe in the Christian God , but I guess you are smarter and better informed then him.

Ok , see how silly those kind of arguments are?

I said nothing of Einstein believing in a Christian God so get your facts straight. Einstein believed that a God did exist, what exactly he believed about God I do not know. Einstein's theories were also not widely accepted by the scientific community, yet they were wrong and he was right. Because he believed in God it expanded his ability to think outside the box that atheist scientists live in. He believed God and science co-existed.

 

[ifriit]

But the reason why so many choose not to beleive is because you can do whatever you want without the guilt or condemnation. To not believe, you are freed to do whatever you please without being held accountable or facing the consequences of your choices. To not believe, releases you to fulfill all the lustful desires that burns within your hearts. You want to desperatly sooth those desires that will go the route of not believing in God. Like a pig back to its mire! You know that is the truth and I know that is the truth.

And thusly, you prove yourself delusional.