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Do you know why you don't "throw pearls to pigs"? (Matthew 7:6)Meatros said:Keep in mind, I recentally lost my faith. I was an ardent believer in Christ-until I woke up and figured out there wasn't any evidence of a personal deity. So if you have evidence, quit stalling.
To the best of my knowledge, they have not been able to reproduce the theory of evolution in the labs. They can't even get an amoeba to evolve, even under perfect conditions.Pete Harcoff said:Wrong. Evolution is observable. Repeatable is a little trickier, since the evolutionary process is such that become of the dynamics of the environment, one will never get the same results. We can thank Chaos Theory for that. But plenty of lab experiments have been carried out with regards to evolution. Last time I did a PubMed search for "evolution" I received over 120 000 research papers on the subject.
Because you have no pearls to throw?drfeelgood said:Do you know why you don't "throw pearls to pigs"? (Matthew 7:6)
Bacteria evolve in labs all the time as do viruses. Individual organisms don't evolve, populations do.drfeelgood said:To the best of my knowledge, they have not been able to reproduce the theory of evolution in the labs. They can't even get an amoeba to evolve, even under perfect conditions.
What are you doing to help people who are suffering right now?Meatros said:I know I couldn't live in heaven if my fellow humans were suffering eternal torture in hell.
Not really. They still remain the same virii. They just develop an immunity to whatever was attacking them, perhaps.LadyShea said:Bacteria evolve in labs all the time as do viruses. Individual organisms don't evolve, populations do.
Matthew 7:6Nathan Poe said:Because you have no pearls to throw?
Biological evolution is simply a change in gene frequencies over generations. This has been observed so many times, anyone who claims that evolution has not been observed is just ignorant of what biological evolution actually is.drfeelgood said:Not really. They still remain the same virii. Just immune to whatever was attacking them, perhaps.
drfeelgood said:Not really. They still remain the same virii. Just immune to whatever was attacking them, perhaps.
That is evolution, adapting to the environment, changing over time. Virii aren't even technically living organisms and they evolve because it's all about reproducing.drfeelgood said:Not really. They still remain the same virii. They just develop an immunity to whatever was attacking them, perhaps.
Pete Harcoff said:Biological evolution is simply a change in gene frequencies over generations. This has been observed so many times, anyone who claims that evolution has not been observed is just ignorant of what biological evolution actually is.
Now, you're probably going to drag out the whole macro/micro evolution bit, but even macroevolution (as defined as evolution between species; i.e. a population of one species giving rise to a new species) has been observed. Check the T.O. site for examples.
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Evolution:LadyShea said:That is evolution, adapting to the environment, changing over time. Virii aren't even technically living organisms and they evolve because it's all about reproducing.
This has been observed in lab experiments. Like I said, check T.O. for examples.drfeelgood said:1. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
Right. It's always the *other* guy's mind who is closed.drfeelgood said:Actually, I'm not going to drag anything out.Your mind is closed. You're convinced you're right, and to embark on a discussion of this particular topic with you would be pointless.
I am content to just leave it at that.
If an AIDS virus develops an immunity to a certain syrum, it's not evolution, as it didn't evolve into a new species. It's still the same virus. An amoeba is still an amoeba. Not even something as simple as that, the supposed start of all life.LadyShea said:It has been observed...different strains of virii are different "species" because they have changed genetic codes
drfeelgood said:Evolution:
Biology.
And this has not been observed to be naturally occuring in the lab, even under perfect conditions.
- <LI type=a>Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
- The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.
Evolution does not require the production of new species. All that is required is that genetic changes occur and are inherited throughout a population as it reproduces.drfeelgood said:If an AIDS virus develops an immunity to a certain syrum, it's not evolution, as it didn't evolve into a new species. It's still the same virus. An amoeba is still an amoeba. Not even something as simple as that, the supposed start of all life.
Natural or artificial selection are still selection. All that matters is they occur as a result of an environmental influence. (And as long as we are only talking about selection, and not something like genetic engineering...)Plant experiments. Bees.. I don't care what you throw at me. The only "evolution", the only creation of a new species, that I'm aware of, including that which I have seen in lucaspa's arguments, has occured when scientists intervened. Now that's no longer natural selection. It's "human selection", and human intervention neither proves nor disproves the theory of evolution (in specific natural selection) IMHO.
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