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No, it's evidence that I realize discussion with you just goes 'round and 'round - repeating the same things. For those with actual interest in an explanation of "the coming of the Son of Man"- there's this article: https://www.thatancientfaith.uk/hom...cle/the-coming-kingdom-of-the-son-of-man.htmlIt is another evidence that your doctrine does not add up. That is why you have no explanation or justification for it.
No.I thought you believed that the elect dead went to heaven until the coming of Titus in AD70?
No, it's evidence that I realize discussion with you just goes 'round and 'round - repeating the same things. For those with actual interest - there's this article: https://www.thatancientfaith.uk/hom...cle/the-coming-kingdom-of-the-son-of-man.html
Did they literally see Jesus coming in clouds in AD70 or they only recognise that the destruction of Jerusalem is Jesus bringing judgment?
If they didn't literally see Jesus coming in AD70 what makes you so certain that Luke 21:27 is fulfilled in AD 70 without any witnesses or writing or anything to prove that this event took place...
Any scriptures states that He (Jesus ) comes back multiple times?
1Corinthians 15:23.." But each in turn; Christ the Firstfruit then, when He comes, those who belong to Him...
If you dont believe that Jesus is coming back in person then maybe you should look at Acts:1:11...
Acts 1:11..."Men of Galilee", they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven....
And I believe Jesus only come back ONCE and for all..
I know you aren't - that's why I prefaced it by saying "For those with actual interest in the 'coming of the Son of Man'".I am not interested in your links.
This error has been corrected repeatedly (even in this thread, I believe). Take note of the specific definition that's assigned for each verse:
3. the whole multitude of men living at the same time: Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 1:48 (πᾶσαι αἱ γενεαί); ; Philippians 2:15; used especially of the Jewish race living at one and the same period: Matthew 11:16; Matthew 12:39, 41f, 45; Matthew 16:4; Matthew 23:36; Mark 8:12, 38; Luke 11:29f, 32, 50; Luke 17:25; Acts 13:36; Hebrews 3:10; ἄνθρωποι τῆς γενεάς ταύτης, Luke 7:31; ἄνδρες τῆς γενεάς ταύτης, Luke 11:31; τήν δέ γενεάν αὐτοῦ τίς διηγήσεται, who can describe the wickedness of the present generation, Acts 8:33 (from Isaiah 53:8 the Sept.) (but cf. Meyer, at the passage). Strong's Greek: 1074. γενεά (genea) -- race, family, generation
I know you aren't - that's why I prefaced it by saying "For those with actual interest in the 'coming of the Son of Man'".
Besides which, apparently, if "this generation" refers only to the Jewish race, we Gentiles are really wasting our time following Christ. When Jesus comes back, only the Jews will be saved. Oh what a tangled web when somebody twists the scriptures to fit their preconceived notions.
For the sake of others that may be reading - an entirely different paradigm can't be stated in a few sentences. THAT is the reason for a linked article. Preconceived assumptions placed on another person is "gossip" or "bearing false witness". You came to your own conclusion based on false evidence. How does it affect you whether or not people believe Jesus fulfilled His prophetic words?This is ongoing testimony that Preterists are dependent upon their mentors for answers. You repeatedly do this because Preterism does not add up and cannot be truly explained. This is more evidence why Bible students should reject the doctrine.
It is another evidence that your doctrine does not add up. That is why you have no explanation or justification for it.
Exactly! Unfortunately there are many people that have been coming to that very conclusion by seeing Scripture that way. I know a lot of people that are now atheists because of it, which is why I'm so insistent against God being misrepresented that way.Besides which, apparently, if "this generation" refers only to the Jewish race, we Gentiles are really wasting our time following Christ. When Jesus comes back, only the Jews will be saved. Oh what a tangled web when somebody twists the scriptures to fit their preconceived notions.
What are you talking about?
Exactly! Unfortunately there are many people that have been coming to that very conclusion by seeing Scripture that way. I know a lot of people that are now atheists because of it, which is why I'm so insistent against God being misrepresented that way.
I love that about you.
This is the summary for all of your posts to me. You have never once tried to understand anything but your own hardened position. That's why you don't even know how badly you've twisted yourself up.
The translators who translated η γενεα αυτη - literally "the generation this" - as "this generation" rather than "this race," did so because that was what those words meant in that context.
You don't even know how a lexicon is put together. That's why you attempt to apply definitions which do not apply to the places you wish had been translated to suit your doctrine. You prove yourself to be a very poor scholar indeed when you do that. You think it isn't obvious that you are arguing with actual scholars when you argue with the very lexicons that you think prove your point but all you're doing is showing everyone how ignorant and childish your exegesis is, if we could even call it that.
And given your understanding of the text elsewhere, it is truly perplexing. I wonder how you could understand anything given your penchant for twisting of definitions.
This is the summary for all of your posts to me. You have never once tried to understand anything but your own hardened position. That's why you don't even know how badly you've twisted yourself up.
The translators who translated η γενεα αυτη - literally "the generation this" - as "this generation" rather than "this race," did so because that was what those words meant in that context.
You don't even know how a lexicon is put together. That's why you attempt to apply definitions which do not apply to the places you wish had been translated to suit your doctrine. You prove yourself to be a very poor scholar indeed when you do that. You think it isn't obvious that you are arguing with actual scholars when you argue with the very lexicons that you think prove your point but all you're doing is showing everyone how ignorant and childish your exegesis is, if we could even call it that.
And given your understanding of the text elsewhere, it is truly perplexing. I wonder how you could understand anything given your penchant for twisting of definitions.
When and how did Jesus "send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and … gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" back in AD70 (Mat 24:31 and Mark 13:27)?
Not so! Your whole doctrine is built upon the meaning of that one word. Refute that and your whole doctrine crumbles.
There are multiple posts on here that have been sidestepped and totally ignored.
Do you think we live in heaven or in the winds?When and how did Jesus "send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and … gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" back in AD70 (Mat 24:31 and Mark 13:27)?
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