Daniel's 490 Year Cycle: Key to Prophetic Timeline!

[Humble Penny]

This is a special thread I wish to dedicate to our dear @Christian Gedge who has been a good friend to me and kindly shared his life's work with me. I am very pleased that despite the fringe groups and fanatic cults putting out false biblical chronologies, that there are a few people in this world who can appreciate and see the importance the Bible plays in world history and prophecy. Here's a small excerpt from brother Gedge's book:

"Conservative scholars sometimes forget that history and prophecy are two sides of the same coin, and I believe this is why we should take the matter of prophetic chronology more seriously."
-Christian Gedge, The Atonement Clock Scholars Edition

How so many other people can't make this clear connection just boggles my mind to no end. If you would like his book then please visit his site:

https://www.5loaves2fishes.net/

From here you can download the .pdf version of his two books for free or donate to his cause and buy a physical copy of his book (which I did). After going through his book the connections starting firing off in my brain which you will see below:

If we take 7 Days of the Week to symbolize a prophetic timeline of 7,000 Years then we see the following numbers:

490 Year Prophetic Cycle
7,000 Years ÷ 490 Years = 14.2857142857 Prophetic Cycles

500 Year Prophetic Cycle
7,000 Years ÷ 500 Years = 14 Prophetic Cycles

Now let's divide both 490 Years and 500 Years by 7 Years to see what happens and, in a separate calculation divide both by 49 Years and 50 Years...

490 Year Prophetic Cycle
490 Years ÷ 7 Years = 70 Weeks

500 Year Prophetic Cycle
500 Years ÷ 7 Years = 71.4285714286 Weeks

490 Year Prophetic Cycle
490 Years ÷ 49 Years = 10 Jubilees
490 Years ÷ 50 Years = 9.8 Jubilees

500 Year Prophetic Cycle
500 Years ÷ 49 Years = 10.2040816327
500 Years ÷ 50 Years = 10 Jubilees

Are you seeing the connection between the numbers?! They are clearly showing us that we are to count the Jubilee Cycle the same way we count the Feast of Weeks!

Feast of Weeks
(7 Weeks x 7 Days) + 1 Day =
49 Days + 1 Day = 50 Days

Jubilee Cycle
(7 Weeks x 7 Years) + 1 Year =
49 Years + 1 Year = 50 Years

This is the missing piece of the puzzle to your work brother Gedge . Let's take another look at the creation week and then tie it into Daniel's 70 Weeks:

God Worked Days 1-6 & Rested on the 7th Day
(6 Years x 1,000 Years) + (1 Year x 1,000 Years) =
6,000 Years + 1,000 Years = 7,000 Years

Daniel's 70 Weeks
69 Weeks x 7 Years = 483 Years (Cyrus to Christ)

It would seem the numbers don't fit, but actually this is where the longer chronology in the Septuagint connects all the dots:

2,242 Years (Adam to Flood)
1,247 Years (Flood to Abraham)
430 Years (Abraham to Moses)
511 Years (Moses to Saul)
517 Years (Saul to Babylon)
53 Years (Babylon to Daniel)
5,000 Years (Adam to 53rd Year of Babylonian Captivity)

Daniel 5:31, 6, 9, 11, and 12 all tell us this was the 1st Year of Darius the Mede, and the exact year in which Gabriel revealed the 70 Week Prophecy. So we know that Darius ruled for 17 Years prior to Cyrus the Great freeing the Jews from Babylon:

1st Year of Darius the Mede to Cyrus the Persian
53 Years + 17 Years = 70 Years
5000 AM + 17 Years = 5017 AM

Daniel 9 to Christ's Death
17 Years + (69 Weeks x 7 Years) =
17 Years + 483 Years = 500 Years
5000 AM + 500 Years = 5500 AM

It is clear that the Scriptures tell us that Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior would die 5,500 Years from Adam, and 500 Years from when the angel Gabriel revealed the 70 Week Prophecy to Daniel in the 1st Year of Darius the Mede . And just think you could only find this out with the LXX and not the MT.

 

[Humble Penny]

500 Year Prophetic Cycle
7,000 Years ÷ 500 Years = 14 Prophetic Cycles

..this means...

7,000 Years ÷ 2 = 3,500 Years
14 Prophetic Cycles ÷ 2 = 7 Prophetic Cycles

...now we need to find out exactly how many years are in 1 Prophetic Cycle...

3,500 Years ÷ 7 Prophetic Cycles = 500 Years
1 Prophetice Cycle = 500 Years
1 Prophetic Cycle = 10 Jubilees
1 Prophetic Cycle = (70 Weeks x 7 Years) + (10 Jubilees x 1 Year)

 

[Humble Penny]

@Christian Gedge I just want you to know brother this is not a refutation of your main idea which I have stated in my title. Rather what this would refute are the artificial and subjective chronologies and dates which we have relied on from modern academia for so long.

Naturally the dates would be different when using the longer chronology of the LXX but, this doesn't take away from your main idea of the 490 Year Prophetic Cycle of Daniel. What I have shared here rather expands on that idea and carries it out from the Creation of the World to the Final Judgement.

I knew you were hitting upon something much deeper but I couldn't pin it down until I started plotting out the numbers on paper.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Are you seeing the connection between the numbers?! They are clearly showing us that we are to count the Jubilee Cycle the same way we count the Feast of Weeks!

Feast of Weeks
(7 Weeks x 7 Days) + 1 Day =
49 Days + 1 Day = 50 Days

Jubilee Cycle
(7 Weeks x 7 Years) + 1 Year =
49 Years + 1 Year = 50 Years

You make an interesting connection here. Admittedly, I don't go into the Feast of Weeks very much but it does seem as you say. The 50 days to Pentecost must be a microcosm of the larger Jubilee cycle.

However the 'fiftieth year' of Jubilee, although counted, is actually superimposed over the old 49th year and the 1st year of the next cycle. Here is a diagram. Note, the small red squares represent a Sabbath year. The large pink square represents the fiftieth year.

 

[Christian Gedge]

And here is a video about it. You might need to get used to the kiwi accent.

 

[Humble Penny]

Here's a complete break down of the 14 Prophetic Cycles from Adam to the Final Judgment: in posts #6 & #7. The numbers from Adam to Terah are based upon Genesis 5 & 11 from the Septuagint/LXX as this is where it and the Masoretic Text/MT differ by exactly 1,466 Years; from Abraham to the prophet Malachi they are in agreement. Otherwise the years placed show when a father had their son from Adam to Amram; from Moses to the death of Joshua show how long these three ruled over Israel with the elders; the period of the Judges only include the years Israel was oppressed by the Canaanite nations, and the number of years of peace they experienced: for the other judges not included either had overlapping reigns or simply did not end the oppressive years; the kings of Israel and Judah start with Saul, continue through the line of Judah beginning with David and ending with Mattaniah/Zedekiah; the kingdoms which follow may be matched against the Giant Statue which king Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of; and the rest are easy to follow:

1st Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
230 Years (Adam)
205 Years (Seth)
65 Years (Enosh)
500 Years (500 AM)

2nd Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
125 Years (Enosh)
170 Years (Kenan)
165 Years (Mahalalel)
40 Years (Jared)
500 Years (1000 AM)

3rd Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
122 Years (Jared)
165 Years (Enoch)
173 Years (Methuselah)
40 Years (Lamech)
500 Years (1500 AM)

4th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
142 Years (Lamech)
358 Years (Noah)
500 Years (2000 AM)

5th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
242 Years (Noah boards Ark during Flood)
2 Years (Shem)
135 Years (Arphaxad)
121 Years (Cainan)
500 Years (2500 AM)

6th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
9 Years (Cainan)
130 Years (Selah)
134 Years (Heber)
130 Years (Peleg)
97 Years (Reu)
500 Years (3000 AM)

7th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
35 Years (Reu)
130 Years (Serug)
179 Years (Nahor)
70 Years (Terah)
86 Years (Abraham)
500 Years (3500 AM)

 

[Humble Penny]

(continuing from post #6)

8th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
14 Years (Abraham)
60 Years (Isaac)
85 Years (Jacob had Joseph in 91st Year)
45 Years (Levi; Joseph's 39th Year)
71 Years (Kohath; Joseph's 110th Year)
64 Years (Amram)
80 Years (Moses; Caleb & Joshua's 38th Year)
40 Years (Wilderness Wandering)
7 Years (Conquest of Canaan)
26 Years (Joshua & Caleb Rule Israel)
8 Years (King Cushan Oppresses Israel)
500 Years (4000 AM)

9th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
40 Years (Othniel)
18 Years (King Eglon)
80 Years (Ehud)
20 Years (King Jabin)
40 Years (Deborah & Barak)
7 Years (Kings Zebah & Zalmmuna)
40 Years (Gideon)
3 Years (Abimelech & Jotham)
18 Years (Philistines & Ammonites)
6 Years (Jephthah)
40 Years (Philistines)
20 Years (Samson)
40 Years (Eli)
58 Years (Samuel)
40 Years (Saul)
2 Years (Ishbosheth)
28 Years (David)
500 Years (4500 AM)

10th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
12 Years 6 Months (David)
40 Years (Solomon)
17 Years (Rehoboam)
3 Years (Abijah)
41 Years (Asa)
25 Years (Jehoshphat)
8 Years (Jehoram)
1 Year (Ahaziah)
7 Years (Queen Ataliah)
40 Years (Joash)
29 Years (Amaziah)
52 Years (Uzziah)
16 Years (Jotham)
16 Years (Ahaz)
29 Years (Hezekiah)
55 Years (Manasseh)
2 Years (Amon)
31 Years (Josiah)
3 Months (Joahaz)
11 Years (Jehoiakim)
3 Months (Jehoiachin)
11 Years (Mattaniah/Zedekiah)
24 Years (Nebuchadnezzar's years from 19th Year when he destroyed the Temple)
2 Years (Evil-Merodach)
20 Years (Nebuchadnezzar)
7 Years (Belshazzar dies in 1st Year of Darius the Mede)
500 Years (5000 AM)

11th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
17 Years (Darius the Mede)
36 Years (Cyrus the Persian)
7 Years (Artaxerxes)
38 Years (Darius the Persian, 2nd Temple rebuilt in his 6th Year)
32 Years (Artaxerxes)
6 Years (Darius defeated by Alexander the Great)
292 Years (Alexander the Great to Augustus Caesar)
42 Years (Christ born in 42nd Year of Augustus)
15 Years (57th Year of Augustus and 1st Year of Tiberius)
15 Years (Christ dies at 30 Years in the 15th Year of Tiberius)
500 Years (5500 AM)

12th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
477 Years (Christ's Death to Present Day)
16 Years (Start of Daniel's 70th Week)
3 Years 6 Months (Third Temple sacrifices and oblations resume)
3 Years 6 Months (Great Tribulation, Christ Returns at end of it)
500 Years (6000 AM)

13th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
500 Years (1st Half of Millenial Kingdom)
500 Years (6500 AM)

14th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
500 Years (2nd Half of Millenial Kingdom to Final Judgment)
500 Years (7000 AM)

I don't care what anyone says lol! I have not seen a single person walk the Body of Christ from Adam all the way to the Final Judgment like this.

 

[Humble Penny]

You make an interesting connection here. Admittedly, I don't go into the Feast of Weeks very much but it does seem as you say. The 50 days to Pentecost must be a microcosm of the larger Jubilee cycle.

However the 'fiftieth year' of Jubilee, although counted, is actually superimposed over the old 49th year and the 1st year of the next cycle. Here is a diagram. Note, the small red squares represent a Sabbath year. The large pink square represents the fiftieth year.

View attachment 311857

I thought this initially as well but, if we look at the Feast of Weeks it is not intercalated, but the 50th Day is counted separately from the first 49 Days.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Zechariah 1:7-11

7 Upon the four and twentieth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Sebat, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the Lord unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying,

8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white.

9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be.

10 And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the Lord hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.

11 And they answered the angel of the Lord that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest.

In my chronology this is 3500 AM. What did you come up with for it? This is the 70th Jubilee. (50x70=3500).

 

[Humble Penny]

Zechariah 1:7-11

7 Upon the four and twentieth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Sebat, in the second year of Darius, came the word of the Lord unto Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet, saying,

8 I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white.

9 Then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be.

10 And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the Lord hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.

11 And they answered the angel of the Lord that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest.

In my chronology this is 3500 AM. What did you come up with for it? This is the 70th Jubilee. (50x70=3500).

I will let you know right now that is incorrect for the simple fact that Eusebius and Jerome never actually bothered to determine how the passage you cited was the 70th Jubilee. They only said it was according to what the Hebrews told them, and so that's what they marked in their chronologies.

The end of post #6 will show the 70th Jubilee to have occured in the 86th Year of Abraham, and the figures from Adam to Abraham are according to the Septuagint/LXX. According to the Masoretic Text you have the following for the same time period:

Adam to Abraham's 86th Year (Masoretic Text)
1,656 Years (Adam to Flood)
292 Years (Flood to Terah)
86 Years (Terah to Abraham's 86th Year)
2,034 Years

2,034 Years ÷ 50 Years = 40.68 Jubilees

Adam to 70th Jubilee (Masoretic Text)
1,656 Years (Adam to Flood)
367 Years (Flood to Abraham)
430 Years (Abraham to Moses)
511 Years (Moses to Saul)
536 Years (Saul to 19th Year of Babylonian Captivity)
3,500 Years (3500 AM)

3,500 Years ÷ 50 Years = 70 Jubilees

I don't know if you ever studied the disceprancies in years between the LXX and the MT but, there's exactly a 1,466 Year discrepancy between the two because the geneaological records of Genesis 5 & 11 in both manuscripts differ by that many years.

We have talked before I know, but I hope you see chronology is not an easy science, nor have I come about my conclusions in a hasty or sloppy manner...

Shalom

 

[Christian Gedge]

11th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
17 Years (Ishbosheth)
36 Years (Cyrus the Persian)
7 Years (Artaxerxes)
38 Years (2nd Temple Rebuilt in 6th Year of Darius)
32 Years (Artaxerxes)
6 Years (Darius defeated by Alexander the Great)
292 Years (Alexander the Great to Augustus Caesar)
42 Years (Christ born in 42nd Year of Augustus)
15 Years (57th Year of Augustus and 1st Year of Tiberius)
15 Years (Christ dies at 30 Years in the 15th Year of Tiberius)
500 Years (5500 AM)

12th Prophetic Cycle (500 Years)
477 Years (Christ's Death to Present Day)
16 Years (Start of Daniel's 70th Week)
3 Years 6 Months (Great Tribulation)
3 Years 6 Months (Christ's Second Coming)
500 Years (6000 AM)

I'm not understanding this HP. Are you counting 477 years from Christs death to this present day? But that only comes to 507 AD??? Or do you have gaps in-between the cycles?

Also, could you list all of your ancient AM dates (Adam to Christ) and place the BC dates next to the AM ones, so that us readers can follow your chronology in terms we understand?

Thanks

 

[Humble Penny]

I'm not understanding this HP. Are you counting 477 years from Christs death to this present day? But that only comes to 507 AD??? Or do you have gaps in-between the cycles?

Also, could you list all of your ancient AM dates (Adam to Christ) and place the BC dates next to the AM ones, so that us readers can follow your chronology in terms we understand?

Thanks

Hello brother Gedge I do like the fact you caught onto the implications of the Anno Mundi years! I'll start working on getting the indidivual Anno Mundi and Anno Domini dates in order exactly as you requested. I have not yet committed to memory the dates from the aforementioned systems in my head yet, as I've only worked on memorizing the individual years I listed above in my head .

Otherwise here's something all my readers will find useful to look at the whole picture at a glance. I will include the dates according to the MT, LXX, and the Rabbi's for the date of creation so you all can understand how shifting years forward or backwards will alter your perception of time and events:

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LXX (Date of Creation -5470 BC)
==========================
Creation of the World to Adam
0 Years 6 Days/0 AM/-5470 BC

Adam to Flood
2,242 Years/2242 AM/-3228 BC

Flood to Abraham's 75th Year
1,247 Years/3489 AM/-1981 BC

Abraham's 75th Year to Moses
430 Years/3919 AM/-1551 BC

Moses to Saul
511 Years/3489 AM/-1040 BC

Saul to Babylon
517 Years/4947 AM/-523 BC

Babylon to Cyrus the Persian
70 Years/5017 AM/-453 BC

Cyrus the Persian to Christ's Birth
453 Years/5470 AM/0 BC/1 AD

Christ's Birth to His Death
30 Years/5500 AM/30 AD

Christ's Death to Present Day
477 Years/5977 AM/507 AD

Time Left Until Second Coming
6,000 Years - 5,977 Years = 23 Years
507 AD + 23 Years = 530 AD
2021 AD + 23 Years = 2044 AD

=========================
MT (Date of Creation -4004 BC)
Using actual internal data
=========================
Creation of the World to Adam
0 Years 6 Days/0 AM/-4004 BC

Adam to Flood
1,656 Years/1656 AM/-2348 BC

Flood to Abraham's 75th Year
367 Years/2023 AM/-1981 BC

Abraham's 75th Year to Moses
430 Years/2453 AM/-1551 BC

Moses to Saul
511 Years/2964 AM/-1040 BC

Saul to Babylon
517 Years/3481 AM/-523 BC

Babylon to Cyrus the Persian
70 Years/3551 AM/-453 BC

Cyrus the Persian to Christ's Birth
453 Years/4004 AM/0 BC/1 AD

Christ's Birth to His Death
30 Years/4034 AM/30 AD

Christ's Death to Present Day
477 Years/4511 AM/507 AD

Time Left Until Second Coming
6,000 Years - 4,511 Years = 1,489 Years
507 AD + 1,489 Years = 1996 AD
2021 AD + 1,489 Years = 3510 AD

=========================
MT (Date of Creation -4004 BC)
Following Septuagint/LXX
=========================
Creation of the World to Adam
0 Years 6 Days/0 AM/-4004 BC

Adam to Flood
2,242 Years/2242 AM/-1762 BC

Flood to Abraham's 75th Year
1,247 Years/3489 AM/-515 BC

Abraham's 75th Year to Moses
430 Years/3919 AM/-85 BC

Moses to Saul
511 Years/3489 AM/426 AD

Saul to Babylon
517 Years/4947 AM/943 AD

Babylon to Cyrus the Persian
70 Years/5017 AM/1013 AD

Cyrus the Persian to Christ's Birth
453 Years/5470 AM/0 BC/1466 AD

Christ's Birth to His Death
30 Years/5500 AM/1496 AD

Christ's Death to Present Day
477 Years/5977 AM/1973 AD

Time Left Until Second Coming
6,000 Years - 5,977 Years = 23 Years
1973 AD + 23 Years = 1996 AD
2021 AD + 23 Years = 2044 AD

=====================================
Rabbinic Judaism (Date of Creation -3761 BC)
Following Masoretic Text
=====================================
Creation of the World to Adam
0 Years 6 Days/0 AM/-3761 BC

Adam to Flood
1,656 Years/1656 AM/-2105 BC

Flood to Abraham's 75th Year
367 Years/2023 AM/-1738 BC

Abraham's 75th Year to Moses
430 Years/2453 AM/-1308 BC

Moses to Saul
511 Years/2964 AM/-797 BC

Saul to Babylon
517 Years/3481 AM/-280 BC

Babylon to Cyrus the Persian
70 Years/3551 AM/-210 BC

Cyrus the Persian to Christ's Birth
453 Years/4004 AM/243 AD

Christ's Birth to His Death
30 Years/4034 AM/273 AD

Christ's Death to Present Day
477 Years/4511 AM/750 AD

Time Left Until Second Coming
6,000 Years - 4,511 Years = 1,489 Years
750 AD + 23 Years = 773 AD
2021 AD + 23 Years = 2044 AD

=====================================
Rabbinic Judaism (Date of Creation -3761 BC)
Following Septuagint/LXX
=====================================
Creation of the World to Adam
0 Years 6 Days/0 AM/-3761 BC

Adam to Flood
2,242 Years/2242 AM/-1519 BC

Flood to Abraham's 75th Year
1,247 Years/3489 AM/-272 BC

Abraham's 75th Year to Moses
430 Years/3919 AM/158 AD

Moses to Saul
511 Years/3489 AM/669 AD

Saul to Babylon
517 Years/4947 AM/1186 AD

Babylon to Cyrus the Persian
70 Years/5017 AM/1256 AM

Cyrus the Persian to Christ's Birth
453 Years/5470 AM/1709 AD

Christ's Birth to His Death
30 Years/5500 AM/1739 AD

Christ's Death to Present Day
477 Years/5977 AM/2216 AD

Time Left Until Second Coming
6,000 Years - 5,977 Years = 23 Years
2216 AD + 23 Years = 2239 AD
2021 AD + 23 Years = 2044 AD

 

[Humble Penny]

As you all can see at a glance in post #12 the Rabbinic date for creation and the events following it make no sense at all, showing they rely purely on tradition to come up with their numbers. Attached is a .pdf file from Rabbi Simon Schwab's paper Comparative Jewish Chronology if you'd like to see how they reckon their years from Adam to the present year using the Anno Mundi system. You'll see in there that he doesn't show how he got to the then present year 5722 AM (1961-1962 AD).

 

[Humble Penny]

If we assume the current rabbinic Hebrew year and Anno Domini date to be true:

Rabbinic Judaism (-3761 BC Creation Date)
Time Left Until Second Coming
5782 AM (2021-2022)
6,000 Years - 5,782 Years = 218 Years
3,761 Years + 2,021 Years = 5782 AM
5782 AM - 3,761 Years = 2021 AD

Masoretic Text (-4004 BC Creation Date)
Adam to Present Day
4034 AM + 2,021 Years = 6025 AM
6025 AM - 4,004 Years = 2021 AD

There's a clear problem because we can't be 25 Years past the Second Coming of Christ while still being in the present year of 2021-2022 AD waiting for Christ to return in the next 218 Years.

 

[Humble Penny]

Updated post #12 to show what the -4004 BC date for creation would look like using the Septuagint/LXX chronology. I'm not sure if anyone ever understood this about the Anno Domini timeline, but it never shows you how many years there would be until the Second Coming of Christ since it only counts the years from His birth to the present year.

You would only have this knowledge if you understand the Second Coming of Christ will happen in the year 6000 AM from creation. And the only way the 5,500 Years in the Septuagint make sense is if you know of the narrative in the following three books:

The Forgotten Books of Eden: The First Book of Adam and Eve: Chapter III (Read Chapter 3)

The Wesley Center Online: The Books Of Adam And Eve (Read Chapter 42)

The Gospel Of Nicodemus.pdf (PDFy mirror) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive (Read Chapter 22)

 

[Humble Penny]

To put the major implications of my data into perspective consider this

21st Century to 20th Century
2021 Years - 1,900 Years = 121 Years

This means we can only account for the last 121 Years, and this is assuming 1 Person from the beginning of the 20th Century is alive making them 121 Years old today. The chances of that happening plus that one individual being able to recall every important event for the last 121 Years is highly improbable. Let's look at some other key facts from history:

First Modern Gun
2021 AD - 1364 AD = 657 Years

First Modern Car
2021 AD - 1886 AD = 135 Years

First Modern Computer
2021 AD - 1801 AD = 220 Years

Seeing that we wouldn't have anyone alive from these times we have to rely on the history given by modern historians to be truthful and accurate. If you don't know how much time passed from Adam to our present day then you won't know who's telling the truth.

 

[Chiliastie]

To Humble Penny
I love your enthusiasm and perception of numeric patterns in the "Bible". My basis of chronology comes from the MT and yet your thesis of 7,000-years with 14 x 500-year "Half Days" (of a 1,000-year "Day") is what the MT teaches when properly understood.
If we inclusively count the individual Patriarchs of Gen 5 & 11 it can be shown that Abram was born in 2,001 as the same year Noah died. This puts the worldwide flood in 1651.
From the Birth of Abram is 70-years to leaving UR + 430-year sojourn to Mt Sinai. Then 500-years to Solomon`s Temple dedecation and 500-years more to Cyrus` decree that begins the 70 Shemitah cycles of Daniel. These Shemitah cycles of 10 lots of 7-years are of Jubilee cycles and all have a 50th year intercalated thus 490 + 10 = 500-years to the crucifixion in 4,001 with 2 "Days" or 2,000 more years to 6,001 start of the Millennial 7th "Day" Sabbath/Rest. The 70th Jubilee cycle concludes the first 3,500-years and is at the middle of "The Great Week" of salvation history.

 

[Humble Penny]

To Humble Penny
I love your enthusiasm and perception of numeric patterns in the "Bible". My basis of chronology comes from the MT and yet your thesis of 7,000-years with 14 x 500-year "Half Days" (of a 1,000-year "Day") is what the MT teaches when properly understood.
If we inclusively count the individual Patriarchs of Gen 5 & 11 it can be shown that Abram was born in 2,001 as the same year Noah died. This puts the worldwide flood in 1651.
From the Birth of Abram is 70-years to leaving UR + 430-year sojourn to Mt Sinai. Then 500-years to Solomon`s Temple dedecation and 500-years more to Cyrus` decree that begins the 70 Shemitah cycles of Daniel. These Shemitah cycles of 10 lots of 7-years are of Jubilee cycles and all have a 50th year intercalated thus 490 + 10 = 500-years to the crucifixion in 4,001 with 2 "Days" or 2,000 more years to 6,001 start of the Millennial 7th "Day" Sabbath/Rest. The 70th Jubilee cycle concludes the first 3,500-years and is at the middle of "The Great Week" of salvation history.

Thanks for your kind words and input. While it's clear you understand the big picture in term of how many years there are from Adam to the Final Judgment being 7,000 Years I am not sure how you got the rest of your numbers, especially those of Abraham since you follow Adam's line through Seth and continue through Shem:

Adam to Flood (Masoretic Text)
130 Years (Adam)
105 Years (Seth)
90 Years (Enosh)
70 Years (Kenan)
65 Years (Mahalalel)
162 Years (Jared)
65 Years (Enoch)
187 Years (Methuselah)
182 Years (Lamech)
600 Years (Noah)
1,656 Years (Adam to Flood)

Flood to Abraham
2 Years (Shem)
35 Years (Arphaxad)
30 Years (Shelah)
34 Years (Heber)
30 Years (Peleg)
32 Years (Reu)
30 Years (Serug)
29 Years (Nahor)
70 Years (Terah)
292 Years (Flood to Abraham)

1,948 Years (Adam to Abraham)
892 Years (Noah's 600th Year to 892nd Year)

In post #12 you'll see that with the actual internal data from the Masoretic Text that 3500 AM will place you in the 38th Year of king Nebuchadnezzar's reign which corresponds to the 19th Year of the Babylonian Captivity. On the BC Timeline if you understand that there are 4,034 Years from Adam to Christ's crucifixion then you get the following:

Convert Anno Mundi to Before Christ
4034 AM - 3,500 Years = -534 BC

The implications of these calculations means that according to the reckoning of the Masoretic Text--ignoring rabbinic tradition--means that that the Second Temple was destroyed in -553 BC.

 

[Chiliastie]

Humble Penny wrote:
“I am not sure how you got the rest of your numbers, especially those of Abraham since you follow Adam's line through Seth and continue through Shem”: ANSWER =


Adam to Flood (Masoretic Text) INCLUSIVELY COUNTED

Adam begot ? 1st Cain
begot ? 2nd Able
130 Years (Adam) 129.6m 3rd Seth

105 Years (Seth) 104.6m Avg
90 Years (Enosh) 89.6m Avg
70 Years (Kenan) 69.6m
65 Years (Mahalalel) 64.6m
162 Years (Jared) 161.6m
65 Years (Enoch) 64.6m
187 Years (Methuselah) 186.6m
182 Years (Lamech) + 181.6m
Noah begot 499.6m 1st Japheth

begot 500.6m 2nd Ham

begot 501.6m 3rd Shem

600 Years (Noah`s) Flood + 599.6m

Adam to Flood
(Not 1,656 Years) Sub-Total =1,651-Years AM.

Post-Flood to Abraham
+ 2 Years (Shem) 1.9m Avg
35 Years (Arphaxad) 34.9m Avg
30 Years (Shelah) 29.9m
34 Years (Heber) 33.9m
30 Years (Peleg) 29.9m
32 Years (Reu) 31.9m
30 Years (Serug) 29.9m
29 Years (Nahor) + 28.9m

Terah begot 69.6m 1st Haran

begot ? 2nd Nahor

130 Years (Terah) begot + 129.9m 3rd Abram

Sub-Total = 350-Years AM

+ 1,651 = 2,001

Noah Also Died 350-Years post-flood to Abram`s birth.
C.f., Noah died sometime within the year Abram was born



ADAM TO ABRAM`S BIRTH

(Inclusively counted)

= 2,001 Years From Creation


1,948 Years (Adam to Abraham)
892 Years (Noah's 600th Year to 892nd Year)

· I think above, you mean 292 Years not 892

from Noah`s 600th?

· Terah was in his 130th Year not in his 70th

-year when he begot Abram, later called Abraham.

Therefore, as above 2,001 for (Adam to Abraham)


In post #12 you'll see that with the actual internal data from the Masoretic Text that 3500 AM will place you in the 38th Year of king Nebuchadnezzar's reign which corresponds to the 19th Year of the Babylonian Captivity. On the BC Timeline if you understand that there are 4,034 Years from Adam to Christ's crucifixion then you get the following:

· NO! If you see my last post and this one, my “reading” of the Masoretic Text is that 3,500 AM will place you in the year before Cyrus` famous decree that was in/within 3,501 AM.

· Therefore, I see that with the actual internal data from the Masoretic Text is “about” 3,466 AM and will place you in the 38th Year of king Nebuchadnezzar's reign which corresponds to the 19th Year of the Babylonian Captivity about AM 3,416

On the BC Timeline if you understand that there are 4,034 Years from Adam to Christ's crucifixion then you get the following:

Convert Anno Mundi to Before Christ
4034 AM - 3,500 Years = -534 BC

· No, I understand that there are 4,001 Years from Adam to Christ's crucifixion, then I get the following: 4001 AM - 3,500 Years = “ABOUT” 466? BC to Cyrus decree. + 50/1-years = “About” 517/6 to the burning of Jerusalem and the temple. So, 19 + 50/1 = 70-years from 1st deportation of Judea into captivity including Daniel.

NOTE Also: I have not yet settled on the exact year of The Lord`s crucifixion so “about” 35-AD, CE?

4,001 AM – 3,500 = 501 -Cross 35 AD = About 466/5 BC as 3,500 AM for Cyrus` decree.
Ans = 466/5 BC + 35 AD = 500-years for Daniel`s 70 x 7`s = 490 + 10-Jubilees is the 501 Years from Cyrus` decree to the year of Crucifixion.



The implications of these calculations means that according to the reckoning of the Masoretic Text--ignoring rabbinic tradition--means that that the Second Temple was destroyed in -553 BC.

· No, The implications of these calculations means that according to the reckoning of the Masoretic Text--ignoring rabbinic tradition-(AND secular chronology) -means that the Second Temple was destroyed “about” -517/6 BC.

What Plutonomy`s canon and other influenced national based chronologies have done, is to confuse the very beginning of the 70-year captivity with the actual ending of the 70-year captivity and have dated it “about” 70-years to early. I.e., 606/5 BC instead of “about” 536/5 and have the burning of Jerusalem and its temple 587/6 BC instead of “about” 517/6 BC.

And also, through the later part of Plutonomy`s canon and by means of the Seder-Olam, the 2nd century AD Jewish leaders brought Daniels 70 x 7`s prophecy and related surrounding history forward, by about 95-100 years. Hence: “The great Gap” or the famous “166/5 missing years??”. It is fruitful to ignore as authoritative both these sources and their chronological disciples. Rely instead ONLY on a MT based Bible chronology within the Master`s framework of a 6,000 + 1,000-year plan for man. This plan is sub-divided by 3x2,000 and 1 x a 1,000-year 7th “Day”. AND within God`s fully completed 50-year Jubilee cycles on which He occasionally signposts great things. E.g., 1 AM. 1651 AM. 2,001. 2,501. 3,001. 3,501. 4,001. 6,001 and 7,001 -needs to guide our “reading” and exegetical context.

Note also: Jubilee calendar cycles within Genesis and Noah`s life

Creation @ 1

Noah born @ 1,051 +500

Noah begets @ 1,551 +100

Noah’` flood @ 1,651 +350

Noah died @ 2,001 AM

(and passed the baton at Abram`s birth that starts the next

2,000-year time block @ 2,001 to 4,001).

Regards Glen

 

[Humble Penny]

Humble Penny wrote:
“I am not sure how you got the rest of your numbers, especially those of Abraham since you follow Adam's line through Seth and continue through Shem”: ANSWER =


Adam to Flood (Masoretic Text) INCLUSIVELY COUNTED

Adam begot ? 1st Cain
begot ? 2nd Able
130 Years (Adam) 129.6m 3rd Seth

105 Years (Seth) 104.6m Avg
90 Years (Enosh) 89.6m Avg
70 Years (Kenan) 69.6m
65 Years (Mahalalel) 64.6m
162 Years (Jared) 161.6m
65 Years (Enoch) 64.6m
187 Years (Methuselah) 186.6m
182 Years (Lamech) + 181.6m
Noah begot 499.6m 1st Japheth

begot 500.6m 2nd Ham

begot 501.6m 3rd Shem

600 Years (Noah`s) Flood + 599.6m

Adam to Flood
(Not 1,656 Years) Sub-Total =1,651-Years AM.

Post-Flood to Abraham
+ 2 Years (Shem) 1.9m Avg
35 Years (Arphaxad) 34.9m Avg
30 Years (Shelah) 29.9m
34 Years (Heber) 33.9m
30 Years (Peleg) 29.9m
32 Years (Reu) 31.9m
30 Years (Serug) 29.9m
29 Years (Nahor) + 28.9m

Terah begot 69.6m 1st Haran

begot ? 2nd Nahor

130 Years (Terah) begot + 129.9m 3rd Abram

Sub-Total = 350-Years AM

+ 1,651 = 2,001

Noah Also Died 350-Years post-flood to Abram`s birth.
C.f., Noah died sometime within the year Abram was born



ADAM TO ABRAM`S BIRTH

(Inclusively counted)

= 2,001 Years From Creation


1,948 Years (Adam to Abraham)
892 Years (Noah's 600th Year to 892nd Year)

· I think above, you mean 292 Years not 892

from Noah`s 600th?

· Terah was in his 130th Year not in his 70th

-year when he begot Abram, later called Abraham.

Therefore, as above 2,001 for (Adam to Abraham)


In post #12 you'll see that with the actual internal data from the Masoretic Text that 3500 AM will place you in the 38th Year of king Nebuchadnezzar's reign which corresponds to the 19th Year of the Babylonian Captivity. On the BC Timeline if you understand that there are 4,034 Years from Adam to Christ's crucifixion then you get the following:

· NO! If you see my last post and this one, my “reading” of the Masoretic Text is that 3,500 AM will place you in the year before Cyrus` famous decree that was in/within 3,501 AM.

· Therefore, I see that with the actual internal data from the Masoretic Text is “about” 3,466 AM and will place you in the 38th Year of king Nebuchadnezzar's reign which corresponds to the 19th Year of the Babylonian Captivity about AM 3,416

On the BC Timeline if you understand that there are 4,034 Years from Adam to Christ's crucifixion then you get the following:

Convert Anno Mundi to Before Christ
4034 AM - 3,500 Years = -534 BC

· No, I understand that there are 4,001 Years from Adam to Christ's crucifixion, then I get the following: 4001 AM - 3,500 Years = “ABOUT” 466? BC to Cyrus decree. + 50/1-years = “About” 517/6 to the burning of Jerusalem and the temple. So, 19 + 50/1 = 70-years from 1st deportation of Judea into captivity including Daniel.

NOTE Also: I have not yet settled on the exact year of The Lord`s crucifixion so “about” 35-AD, CE?

4,001 AM – 3,500 = 501 -Cross 35 AD = About 466/5 BC as 3,500 AM for Cyrus` decree.
Ans = 466/5 BC + 35 AD = 500-years for Daniel`s 70 x 7`s = 490 + 10-Jubilees is the 501 Years from Cyrus` decree to the year of Crucifixion.



The implications of these calculations means that according to the reckoning of the Masoretic Text--ignoring rabbinic tradition--means that that the Second Temple was destroyed in -553 BC.

· No, The implications of these calculations means that according to the reckoning of the Masoretic Text--ignoring rabbinic tradition-(AND secular chronology) -means that the Second Temple was destroyed “about” -517/6 BC.

What Plutonomy`s canon and other influenced national based chronologies have done, is to confuse the very beginning of the 70-year captivity with the actual ending of the 70-year captivity and have dated it “about” 70-years to early. I.e., 606/5 BC instead of “about” 536/5 and have the burning of Jerusalem and its temple 587/6 BC instead of “about” 517/6 BC.

And also, through the later part of Plutonomy`s canon and by means of the Seder-Olam, the 2nd century AD Jewish leaders brought Daniels 70 x 7`s prophecy and related surrounding history forward, by about 95-100 years. Hence: “The great Gap” or the famous “166/5 missing years??”. It is fruitful to ignore as authoritative both these sources and their chronological disciples. Rely instead ONLY on a MT based Bible chronology within the Master`s framework of a 6,000 + 1,000-year plan for man. This plan is sub-divided by 3x2,000 and 1 x a 1,000-year 7th “Day”. AND within God`s fully completed 50-year Jubilee cycles on which He occasionally signposts great things. E.g., 1 AM. 1651 AM. 2,001. 2,501. 3,001. 3,501. 4,001. 6,001 and 7,001 -needs to guide our “reading” and exegetical context.

Note also: Jubilee calendar cycles within Genesis and Noah`s life

Creation @ 1

Noah born @ 1,051 +500

Noah begets @ 1,551 +100

Noah’` flood @ 1,651 +350

Noah died @ 2,001 AM

(and passed the baton at Abram`s birth that starts the next

2,000-year time block @ 2,001 to 4,001).

Regards Glen

So you simply tweaked the numbers by averaging them out with no justification for the Genesis 5 & 11 accounts...and from there you didn't show your work for the time from Abraham onward...but looking at your initial explanation it seems you just added and subtracted numbers with no valid explanation...

If you look at my entire series on my blog posts I go through the textual differences from biblical manuscripts and writings of other historians and chronologists, and show how they connect to a 5,500 Year prophecy known by the early church and the patriarchs beginning with Adam.

That said I'm not seeing where you're getting your evidence from to form your conclusions.