Daniel's 490 Year Cycle: Key to Prophetic Timeline!

[Chiliastie]

Thanks for humble reply.

Your right, I did not include justification for averaging out the chrono-genealogies of Gen 5 & 11 because inclusive counting is the standard way the Bible and the Hebrew people count. But for some strange “tradition”-al reason these Gen numbers are counted exclusively instead by learned people .

However, the standard Biblical way of inclusive counting is/should be self-evident from within Genesis itself and in Noah`s flood account itself. For God`s word in the MT, LXX and even in the SP (Samaritan Pentateuch) below.


6 And Noah WAS SIX HUNDRED years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth. 7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. 8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and from all thing that creep-eth upon the earth 9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as LORD had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. 11 IN the SIX HUNDRED year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.


God Himself counts Noah`s years inclusively and not exclusively like modern day western academia. Noah WAS already 600 and IN his 600th year at the same time in the same year. Noah was (in plain modern language) 599-years and some days/months old? not 600+ ?

The usual mean-average deviation often works out about halfway = “about” 6-months on average over many lifespans. Thus 1,656-years to Noah -minus 10 x 6-months = about 1,650/1-years of Genesis Bible time.

There are several other Bible counting conventions chronologists don`t take into account when doing a whole Bible Gen to Rev chronology. If a simple traditional thing, like using inclusive counting is such a great obstacle, how can other Biblically different, “strange” historical and Eastern counting and chronicling conventions, even get a hearing? Even if explained or justified from the MT based Bible because they listen to a different voice, a different “authoritative” baseline that is of Church history or tradition or textual tradition.

Put simply, If God has indeed revealed in His word a master 6,000 + 1,000-year plan for man then this fact alone disqualifies the LXX version/s as far to long and the SP as far to short.

Unless we are both reading the same text with the same base assumptions, further explanation seams just accademic and Glorifies God in the negative.

 

[Humble Penny]

Thanks for humble reply.

Your right, I did not include justification for averaging out the chrono-genealogies of Gen 5 & 11 because inclusive counting is the standard way the Bible and the Hebrew people count. But for some strange “tradition”-al reason these Gen numbers are counted exclusively instead by learned people .

However, the standard Biblical way of inclusive counting is/should be self-evident from within Genesis itself and in Noah`s flood account itself. For God`s word in the MT, LXX and even in the SP (Samaritan Pentateuch) below.


6 And Noah WAS SIX HUNDRED years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth. 7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. 8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and from all thing that creep-eth upon the earth 9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as LORD had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. 11 IN the SIX HUNDRED year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.


God Himself counts Noah`s years inclusively and not exclusively like modern day western academia. Noah WAS already 600 and IN his 600th year at the same time in the same year. Noah was (in plain modern language) 599-years and some days/months old? not 600+ ?

The usual mean-average deviation often works out about halfway = “about” 6-months on average over many lifespans. Thus 1,656-years to Noah -minus 10 x 6-months = about 1,650/1-years of Genesis Bible time.

There are several other Bible counting conventions chronologists don`t take into account when doing a whole Bible Gen to Rev chronology. If a simple traditional thing, like using inclusive counting is such a great obstacle, how can other Biblically different, “strange” historical and Eastern counting and chronicling conventions, even get a hearing? Even if explained or justified from the MT based Bible because they listen to a different voice, a different “authoritative” baseline that is of Church history or tradition or textual tradition.

Put simply, If God has indeed revealed in His word a master 6,000 + 1,000-year plan for man then this fact alone disqualifies the LXX version/s as far to long and the SP as far to short.

Unless we are both reading the same text with the same base assumptions, further explanation seams just accademic and Glorifies God in the negative.

The language is pretty plain and I'm not sure how you can mistake someone giving the age in which the Flood began and ended as anything else?

"When Noah was 600 years old, on the 17th day of the 2nd month all the outlets of the vast body of water beneath the earth burst open, all the floodgates of the sky were opened,"
Genesis 7:11 GNTD

”When Noah was 601 years old, on the 1st day of the 1st month, the water was gone. Noah removed the covering of the boat, looked around, and saw that the ground was getting dry. By the 27th day of the 2nd month the earth was completely dry.”
Genesis 8:13‭-‬14 GNTD

From the plain words of Moses we see that according to the Masoretic Text (MT) the Flood lasted 1 Year 10 Days; but, according to the Septuagint (LXX) and Josephus the Flood lasted exactly 1 Year as it began and ended on the 27th Day of the 2nd Month. In either case we see that the evidence shows it was not necessary for us to know the smaller units of time as the text wants to make it very clear that not only was Noah's birthday the following year, but gives us the exact dates for the start and finish time of the Flood.

All that aside I still don't understand where you got your rule for inclusive counting when the Bible doesn't indicate such a count for the chronologies it provides. The only examples of incisive counting I've come across in the text is when dealing with the length of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles which last for 7 Days: and the 7th Day is sometimes counted as the 8th Day. And while you stated that there was some 6 Months and odd days for each of the father's having their sons, you never showed within the text how you even determined that much time precisely elapsed. The Bible is not shy in mentioning any number of days of months though as we see in the reigns of the kings of Israel and Judah:

Kings of Israel
0 Years 7 Days (Zimri)
0 Years 6 Months (Zachariah)
0 Years 1 Month (Shallum)

Kings of Judah
7 Years 6 Months (David in Hebron)
33 Years (David in Jerusalem)
3 Months (Joahaz)
3 Months (Jehoiachin)

Now you couldn't go through 1 Samuel thru 2 Chronicles and count the reigns of all these kings successively because some of their reigns overlapped, so you would have to chart how long each king reigned and painstakingly comb through the text in order to know when each began their rule and if it occured within the reign of another king. In the end you would be able to determine how long the period from Saul to the Babylonian Captivity truly was, and figure out how long the kingdoms of Israel and Judah lasted.

I think I've adequately made my point.