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stormdancer said:If you are consciously controlling your movements, it is worship if you are doing it from a humble and worshiping spirit.
stormdancer said:It is more similar to worship through singing, because both are music-oriented.
Nothing is mentioned of dancing in the New Testament church, whereas, instruction is given to encourage one another: "Be filled with the Spirit; speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ..." Ephesians 5:18b-20.
If there were such activity in the early church, it would undoubtedly be mentioned it here or in Colossians 3:16.
I can see that there is a determined will to dance/worship in the carnal flesh. I can't imagine any person who loves the Lord not wanting the power of the Spirit in all things whether in church or not. It just makes spiritual sense.
Under the guise of spiritual worship, Jewish cultural folk dances are brought in the church and called worship. They are not. They are just Jewish folk dances (or an attempt to recreate them). The same goes for other choreographed dances, Jewish or not. Some seem to think that just because it is Jewish, it is spiritual. Certainly, that cannot be true.
Yeah, I maintain that I have, in fact, danced in the Spirit given the definition stormdancer gave, of dancing under the inspiration of the Spirit, for the purpose of worshiping God, in a spirit of reverence and humility. I have done this both with and without choreography. If you can't accept that, it's your loss, not mine. As for me being "too tied to form to understand the freedom of the Spirit," I repeat: you don't know me.
Also, "choreographical" isn't a word.
Just as a church service is "choreographed," or scheduled, dance can be also. The Spirit of God uses us in ways we are somewhat familiar with sometimes (certainly not ALL the time, but some). If you have choreographed dance steps in your mind, He can use those. Me, I have two left feet. But when planned music is played, and I plan on worshiping, the fact that they are planned does not make it any less worshipful.Yeah, I maintain that I have, in fact, danced in the Spirit given the definition stormdancer gave, of dancing under the inspiration of the Spirit, for the purpose of worshiping God, in a spirit of reverence and humility. I have done this both with and without choreography. If you can't accept that, it's your loss, not mine. As for me being "too tied to form to understand the freedom of the Spirit," I repeat: you don't know me.
Also, "choreographical" isn't a word.
If you have danced in the spirit then why are you asking what it is?!!
I think you doubt yourself. If you just put on that you were dancing in the spirit then repentance is in order. God is not pleased with anything but the genuine.
It is crystal clear that some here do not have a clue as to what "dancing in the Spirit" is according to the Scriptures. I have explained it but it takes spiritual understanding. I pray that the Lord reveals this to seeking hearts.
BTW, How do you choreograph a service? I never heard of it. Must be North C. talk.
I think that you are stretching the meaning. Here is the normal use of the term. Please read and learn. Thanks.
I have put many services together but not before I have spent much time in prayer to allow the Holy Spirit to guide and direct the order of service. Even then there is a freedom in the service for the Spirit to move in a new direction.
Services must be done decently and in order. The church comes together under the leadership of a Spirit filled leader. Expressions of worship should be entirely Spirit led and motivated. Prayer and Praise and expressions of Joy and even weeping for the lost and needy.
Choreographed dancing is pre-determined and not a response to the Moves of the Spirit unless it is dancing in the Spirit. It is not a common occurance in the Bible and will not be in the Church. I have seen leaping and jumping and dancing in the Spirit. It is very easy to know if it is in the Spirit, if the leader is prayed up and close to God. Dancing and twirling across the platform bringing attention to self is not of God and should be stopped. It will not happen in my services.
I have not really read much of the posts in this thread.
What I have seen at my church, everyone is free to dance, however usually the children and a select few older people actually dance. I don't dance because that is not how I worship. I worship through my guitar, hands and voice. For them however, they worship through dancing, I think its beautiful!! None of it is choreographed, however I wouldn't condemn it, as long as their heart is in the right place, worshiping God, let them dance!!
I realize where you are coming from exactly. I have never actually seen choreographed dancing in church, but I have seen dancing in the Spirit. In the same way, being on a couple worship teams, the songs are chosen beforehand in order and such, but who knows! We might stay worshiping God on one song for 30 minutes or stay in worship all service long. There comes a point where what was planned needs to be let go, and let God move! In fact the plans should be made knowing that they might not be followed, after all, they are man-made and God will move in whatever way He wants to.
Choreographed dancing is pre-determined and not a response to the Moves of the Spirit unless it is dancing in the Spirit. It is not a common occurance in the Bible and will not be in the Church. I have seen leaping and jumping and dancing in the Spirit. It is very easy to know if it is in the Spirit, if the leader is prayed up and close to God. Dancing and twirling across the platform bringing attention to self is not of God and should be stopped. It will not happen in my services.
Why can't a person pray over their choreography and ask the Holy Spirit to help them choreograph?
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