Damack and Dyer

[Pavel Mosko]

It was disappointing that Fr. Damick took a shot at Jay and others on Gospel Simplicity (especially ironic since Austin has done great interviews with the very people Fr. Damick was referring to), but it's disappointing that Jay can't just drop it.

But then again, I can totally understand the desire to defend your work against unserious accusations.

It's not just that, but the people who were promoting all the Alternative Family stuff in the schools have not dropped their activities or affiliations but have actually strengthened them upgrading their membership in one of those organizations from a silver member to a gold member etc.

And all AFR has done is stopped having them on the program etc. but never said anything about their position of promoting homosexuality or taken the old episodes where they appear down etc.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

AFR took down Dr. Clark Carlton’s podcast series Faith and Philosophy which I really liked. It’s completely memory-holed. No idea why. I do remember him being a more traditional type.

Pretty much just avoid AFR now.
Clergy & Monastics - Father Andrew Damick
Content - Ancient Faith Ministries

It's not just that, but the people who were promoting all the Alternative Family stuff in the schools have not dropped their activities or affiliations but have actually strengthened them upgrading their membership in one of those organizations from a silver member to a gold member etc.

And all AFR has done is stopped having them on the program etc. but never said anything about their position of promoting homosexuality or taken the old episodes where they appear down etc.

 

[gzt]

Generally, AFR slowly gets rid of old content rather than being a mausoleum of old podcasts when people stop producing them unless the back episodes are getting listened to.

As for the supposed "liberalism" of AFR, oh good grief. I suggest avoiding people whose only purpose is to sow dissension and strife.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I don't know... psychology was my first serious field of study as an adult, besides studying it for working for a career in mental health, I was interested in social psychology, like human persuasion study, and one sub area as well, lie detection.

Dyer testimony really checks out well on that. It is very detailed, he doesn't do sweeping generalities etc. and other kinds of gimmicks, but he pretty much moves from chronological point A to point B) down each bullet milestone telling exactly what he found, what he tried to do, like calling father Damick on the phone from the church's listed number as his first step but Fr. Damick says "I don't want to talk to you!" and hangs up then blocks him on Twitter.


I think it is also very telling at the scoffing

As for the supposed "liberalism" of AFR

1) One little story he mentioned was this one Coptic young lady that was interviewed on AFR who wanted to "end the Misogyny in the Coptic church" and by that she seemed to be lobbying for what liberal Roman Catholics are women priests. But they ran an interview of her etc. but that interview got pulled a day or so before it ran because there was some kind of outcry, complaints etc.

But there is a difference between things not existing because they never existed vs. a person is caught with their hand in the cookie jar and erase an episode after the fact, or they don't air a planned episode that has been recorded etc. because of negative feedback.



2) Honestly if I was in Dyer shoes either I would not let this stuff go because that is actually rewarding people for things like stonewalling, gaslighting besides all the previous ad hominin personal attacks. You know peace, unity etc. is suppose to be based on truth. Sweeping things under the carpet might make a lot of people feel better, but doesn't really solve the underlying issue like a sincere apology could easily do.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

this is technically not true. the issue wasn't that he was too conservative, but rather that he endorsed a political candidate by name.

Abbot Tryphon says that his blog post was not political. Too bad I can't see the blog post in which he "endorsed a political candidate by name" to corroborate your statement.

Confirmed that Abbot Tryphon has been banned: Ancient Faith Ministries. I NEVER thought of his short podcasts as being political.

Here's his blog in which all he talks about is politics (he doesn't...at all): The Morning Offering. It's melancholic that his last posting was to announce that he was moving his blog over to AFR.

Either way, they lost another customer.

 

[Samizmoot]

I may have inadvertently caused this new scuffle to appear.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is going on between Fr Damick and Dyer?

I've learned a great deal from both and I find the quarrel disconcerting.

Thanks.

I may have inadvertently caused this new scuffle to appear.

I met Fr. Andrew recently and gave him a book with my business card. The card advertises a book that I helped publish by Jay Dyer. (See here) The book is basically just a collection of Dyer's essays that are on his difficult to navigate blog - everything up to 2019 - some 650+ pages, not including anything about films.

And seeing about the personal nature of the dispute on this thread and the timing of when Fr. Andew gave his sniping comments, that it correlates as being a reaction to his seeing that 'fans' would collect and publish the works of a guy he's had such a history with.

 

[Samizmoot]

This video of Dyer's (from almost three years ago, formerly unlisted/private until several days ago) goes through all the root causes of the current "quarrel". While on the surface it seems to be about the alleged cancellation of Fr. Tryphon by Ancient Faith Radio and a perception Fr. Damick (Chief Content Officer of AFR) and others have of certain types of internet Orthodox personalities, it ultimately comes down to the contentious war between tradition and modernity playing out in so many spheres of our lives. There's been quite a lot of discussion on this front in this forum on other threads, with others here also noticing a certain tendency AFR has to harbour or facilitate content creators with views of a more liberal stripe (as pointed out in Dyer's video as well as this previously posted webpage).

As Not David has said, don't pay too much attention to this sort of drama. The online Orthodox world is a place one needs to navigate carefully, especially if one is an inquirer or catechumen and lacks the experience helpful in discerning these sorts of things. As long as you make contact with a parish and a priest in real life and do the reading you are (or inevitably will do), you'll be just fine.

This helps make some sense of my own experience with AFR. I a mediocre review or complaint that a book by a Copt wasn't clearly listed as being from a Copt - I liked the book well enough but was concerned because it isn't the same tradition and I would have liked to know that prior to purchasing.

 

[Thatgirloncfforums]

Thank you for the info and the link. If the scuffle amounts to bad blood, there is no one to blame but the two of them.

I may have inadvertently caused this new scuffle to appear.


I may have inadvertently caused this new scuffle to appear.

I met Fr. Andrew recently and gave him a book with my business card. The card advertises a book that I helped publish by Jay Dyer. (See here) The book is basically just a collection of Dyer's essays that are on his difficult to navigate blog - everything up to 2019 - some 650+ pages, not including anything about films.

And seeing about the personal nature of the dispute on this thread and the timing of when Fr. Andew gave his sniping comments, that it correlates as being a reaction to his seeing that 'fans' would collect and publish the works of a guy he's had such a history with.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Abbot Tryphon says that his blog post was not political. Too bad I can't see the blog post in which he "endorsed a political candidate by name" to corroborate your statement.

Confirmed that Abbot Tryphon has been banned: Ancient Faith Ministries. I NEVER thought of his short podcasts as being political.

Here's his blog in which all he talks about is politics (he doesn't...at all): The Morning Offering. It's melancholic that his last posting was to announce that he was moving his blog over to AFR.

Either way, they lost another customer.

that's not because he was banned. it's because he took his stuff to another site. it was a mutual release. if he was banned, they would not still be selling his book.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

that's not because he was banned. it's because he took his stuff to another site. it was a mutual release. if he was banned, they would not still be selling his book.

"Mutual release" in clown world:

"Too political" coming from the co-host of Lord of Spirits who emphasize that old (and New) Israel (and the ancient world in general) did not distinguish between the spiritual and political. Too many incongruencies coming from the AFR side.

 

[ArmyMatt]

"Mutual release" in clown world:

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"Too political" coming from the co-host of Lord of Spirits who emphasize that old (and New) Israel (and the ancient world in general) did not distinguish between the spiritual and political. Too many incongruencies coming from the AFR side.

and he and AFR responded to this post, affirming it was mutual. in fact, for a while after this and the two sides discussed things, AFR left his podcast and blog up in case he still wanted to post stuff. and he didn't which I think is AFR's loss.

so mutual release in the real world.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

and he and AFR responded to this post, affirming it was mutual. in fact, for a while after this and the two sides discussed things, AFR left his podcast and blog up in case he still wanted to post stuff. and he didn't which I think is AFR's loss.

so mutual release in the real world.

Pics or it never happened.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Pics or it never happened.

it happened whether or not I show you the pics. both Fr Andrew and Fr Tryphon clarified after Fr Tryphon's initial post.

in fact, pics and links were supplied on another thread in this forum.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

it happened whether or not I show you the pics. both Fr Andrew and Fr Tryphon clarified after Fr Tryphon's initial post.

in fact, pics and links were supplied on another thread in this forum.

Found it:

Sounds like he dipped out due to his conscience, and I know what he means by that. AFR is going the way of O-I-D.

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On-topic - It’s fishermen vs. the priests(Sads)/theologians(Pharisees) again:

 

[ArmyMatt]

Found it:
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Sounds like he dipped out due to his conscience, and I know what he means by that. AFR is going the way of O-I-D.

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On-topic - It’s fishermen vs. the priests(Sads)/theologians(Pharisees) again:

AFR very well might be going that way, but that doesn't it wasn't a mutual release. plus, Fr Damick also posted after this incident twice.

 

[buzuxi02]

Can anyone tell me what exactly is going on between Fr Damick and Dyer?

I've learned a great deal from both and I find the quarrel disconcerting.

Thanks.

Ive been Orthodox my whole life but have never heard of either of these two men
Onna side note and unfortunately in the past 15 years or so quarreling within Orthodoxy has been on the increase. A divergence in ethos and phronema is occuring right before our very eyes.

 

[E.C.]

Is Fr. Damick part of AFR? Because they argument might be that a priest or monk was excluded from Ancient Faith because of "politics" yet they have allowed people who support liberal causes such as feminism or homosexuality.

Fr Damick is the content controller for AFR.

This video of Dyer's (from almost three years ago, formerly unlisted/private until several days ago) goes through all the root causes of the current "quarrel". While on the surface it seems to be about the alleged cancellation of Fr. Tryphon by Ancient Faith Radio and a perception Fr. Damick (Chief Content Officer of AFR) and others have of certain types of internet Orthodox personalities, it ultimately comes down to the contentious war between tradition and modernity playing out in so many spheres of our lives. There's been quite a lot of discussion on this front in this forum on other threads, with others here also noticing a certain tendency AFR has to harbour or facilitate content creators with views of a more liberal stripe (as pointed out in Dyer's video as well as this previously posted webpage).

As Not David has said, don't pay too much attention to this sort of drama. The online Orthodox world is a place one needs to navigate carefully, especially if one is an inquirer or catechumen and lacks the experience helpful in discerning these sorts of things. As long as you make contact with a parish and a priest in real life and do the reading you are (or inevitably will do), you'll be just fine.

I think the pandemic has brought the tradition vs modernity war to the fore a bit more than it should be. There's always going to be contention between tradition and modernity no matter where we are, but I don't think AFM is exactly a fair source for anything Orthodox. I haven't listened to them for years and likely won't listen to them ever again.

this is technically not true. the issue wasn't that he was too conservative, but rather that he endorsed a political candidate by name.

that said, I can see everything else.

There was no endorsement there, Fr. Having known Abbott Tryphon for years; and read the initial post that caused all this, that is not the case. Unless he actualy

The problem is that Washington State Governor Jay Inslee has mandated that all state employees get the vaccine or get fired. Politically, he's at about the AOC/Sanders side of the liberal spectrum. Abbott Tryphon has been the Fire and Police Chaplain for Vashon Island for decades. Vashon Island is an unincorporated part of King County which basically run by Seattle. King County has copy/pasted the governor's "mandate" with regards to vaccines and consequently Abbott Tryphon will no longer be allowed to be the Fire and Police Chaplain for Vashon Island. His reasoning is due to what various Athonite fathers have said and also because he's been told not to get the vaccine for medical reasons per his doctor. Fr Tryphon made the post explaining all this. Fr Damick as Content Controller for AFM has decided to remove Fr Tryphon citing him being "political".

Personally, I think Damick is an immature, pompous moron. I have multiple personal friends in the real world who have attempted to have deep discussions with him. He refuses to engage in said deep discussion with people and blocks anyone who disagrees with him on social media. He's one of those naive Antiochians who has a very Stepford Wife view of Orthodoxy. I have zero respect for the Antiochians as a jurisdiction considering their actions regarding Ben Lomond, the EOC, former Metropolitan Philip's habit of bribing Antioch out of punishment, and their consistent failure with missionary work around the world. I think the Antiochians are in such a desperate search for their own Schmemann or Hopko that the first person they find with a fraction of a brain cell or grain of articulation gets raised on a pedastal; like Damick. I just hope that he either learns humility or voluntarily returns to the laity before he does something even more stupid.

 

[Not David]

Ive been Orthodox my whole life but have never heard of either of these two men
Onna side note and unfortunately in the past 15 years or so quarreling within Orthodoxy has been on the increase. A divergence in ethos and phronema is occuring right before our very eyes.

Well, they appeal more to Orthodox converts so maybe that is why you haven't heard about them

 

[Justin-H.S.]

AFR very well might be going that way, but that doesn't it wasn't a mutual release. plus, Fr Damick also posted after this incident twice.

That’s why Abbot Tryphon’s first posting was made, because that’s how people act right after a mutual break-up/release.

No, that’s how someone acts right after they’ve been cheated.

To quote the Abbot: “I have been dumped...”

The mutual release happened after the dumping which judging by the Abbot’s first post, wasn’t pretty and wasn’t mutual. He was caught by surprise.

A backroom deal was made later on between the two and they decided to part ways. “It’s not you, it’s me.” “We’re better off this way.” This is a classic break-up scenario.

There’s your mutual release. It’s plain as day for anyone with street smarts who wasn’t born yesterday.

 

[ArmyMatt]

There was no endorsement there, Fr. Having known Abbott Tryphon for years; and read the initial post that caused all this, that is not the case. Unless he actualy

or maybe he called out one too specifically or something.