Dad Hagin's position on OSAS

[KingZzub]

The Word says BE HOLY AS HE IS HOLY.

His nature is holy. Being holy is easy for him!

It should be easy for us if we KNOW who we are.

Cheers,
|ZZ|

 

[J4Jesus]

you could say it like this:

sin is not natural for a born again person

But they do have to know it. Most think they have to sin everyday so thats what they do..

 

[BroGinder]

If Jesus is on the inside you will see him on the outside. Thats just how he works.

 

[KingZzub]

But they do have to know it. Most think they have to sin everyday so thats what they do..

Indeed.

Robert Maasbach preached a great sermon on this in Ipswich once, about living on the right side of the cross.

(i.e. with the cross behind you, walking in victory over sin).

It was awesome, but people will fight hard for their right to sin, you know!

 

[garymaxwell]

I used to believe in conditional salvation as Hagin mentions but am now OSAS. Even Bob Yandian who was the Dean of Instructors at Hagin's Rhema Bible Training Center believes in OSAS and has several tape sets on it. Settled it for me.

When you sin it does not affect your spirit as your spirit is sealed and no sin can penetrate into it. You sin from your soulish and fleshly realms.

Contrast this with Hagins teaching.

Also, Hagin had the vision but we did not. Therefore, we have to judge by the Word and not by a vision that Hagin presumably had.

Lastly, the context of Hebrews chapter 6 actually begins back in the 10th verse of chapter 5. If read in context it teaches something totally different than those who hold to conditional salvation.

Once you accept that you can lose your salvation then most anything can be used to negate it--too many sins, living in sin, holding a grudge, failure to tithe, etc.

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

I used to believe in conditional salvation as Hagin mentions but am now OSAS. Even Bob Yandian who was the Dean of Instructors at Hagin's Rhema Bible Training Center believes in OSAS and has several tape sets on it. Settled it for me.

When you sin it does not affect your spirit as your spirit is sealed and no sin can penetrate into it. You sin from your soulish and fleshly realms.

Contrast this with Hagins teaching.

Also, Hagin had the vision but we did not. Therefore, we have to judge by the Word and not by a vision that Hagin presumably had.

Lastly, the context of Hebrews chapter 6 actually begins back in the 10th verse of chapter 5. If read in context it teaches something totally different than those who hold to conditional salvation.

Once you accept that you can lose your salvation then most anything can be used to negate it--too many sins, living in sin, holding a grudge, failure to tithe, etc.

Great post GM...
Glad to see WOF brothers coming around!

 

[JTM3]

Great post GM...
Glad to see WOF brothers coming around!

huh? You're OSAS? [Which, if I'm not mistaken, = Once Saved Always Saved].

Isn't that Calvinist?

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

huh? You're OSAS? [Which, if I'm not mistaken, = Once Saved Always Saved].

Isn't that Calvinist?

I prefer to call it "security of the believer."
You will find that many WoFers here on CF tend toward OSAS.
I had my mind changed in 1980.

 

[JTM3]

I prefer to call it "security of the believer."
You will find that many WoFers here on CF tend toward OSAS.
I had my mind changed in 1980.

Oh. Interesting.

 

[Trish1947]

I just have difficulty in believing in the Banjo Kazoowi type of salvation. You walk the maze, pick up some stars, jump the bridge, collect some more, scale the wall, gather some more, fall off the wall, lose all your stars, then your placed at the start again, to see if you can make it through all the mazes obstacles again. People base their salvation on how well they did at the end of the game. I just can't compete with the Master on doing it absolutley perfectly. And if I am falling off the wall and losing all my stars. Then I'm not abiding in the one that won the prize already for me.

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

Oh. Interesting.

No problemo.

You are more OSAS than you might think!
Most faith people are.

 

[JTM3]

No problemo.

You are more OSAS than you might think!
Most faith people are.

Perhaps.

I'm not arminian, for I don't beleive that we can lose our salvation at the drop of a hat.

But I wouldn't say I'm "extreme" OSAS...

I believe we are free to reject Christ after we are saved...although I've never heard of any instances like that.

And I'm certainly not about to reject my Saviour!

 

[JustAFadedMemory]

Perhaps.

I'm not arminian, for I don't beleive that we can lose our salvation at the drop of a hat.

But I wouldn't say I'm "extreme" OSAS...

I believe we are free to reject Christ after we are saved...although I've never heard of any instances like that.

And I'm certainly not about to reject my Saviour!

Cool.
We had a marathon discussion last year on this topic. I think VW, Christine, Andrew, Trish, and Tree, and others got into it pretty hot and heavy. Of course being WoFers we agreed to disagree and are still walking together in the Lord.

 

[Questioning Christian]

You cannot go to hell for a sin. The only thing that will send you to hell is your refusal of forgiveness. That goes for believers and unbelievers alike.

It's all about relationship and restoration. Defiantly telling God "I don't want you" is the worst condition a person can find themselves in.

 

[garymaxwell]

Perhaps.

I'm not arminian, for I don't beleive that we can lose our salvation at the drop of a hat.

But I wouldn't say I'm "extreme" OSAS...

I believe we are free to reject Christ after we are saved...although I've never heard of any instances like that.

And I'm certainly not about to reject my Saviour!

It was our decision to accept Christ but once we are saved, it is His will to keep us. In other words, your salvation is not totally in your hands to accept and then reject.

As Bob Yandian teaches: "It was God's will to bring us into salvation. It was our will to accept it. And it is God's will to keep it."

Remember, if we could be lost again God would have to agree to the separation as He was the one that sealed us and is keeping us. But He will never let us go.

Comforting thought...it makes you live holier than you would under fear of conditional salvation.

 

[JTM3]

It was our decision to accept Christ but once we are saved, it is His will to keep us. In other words, your salvation is not totally in your hands to accept and then reject.

As Bob Yandian teaches: "It was God's will to bring us into salvation. It was our will to accept it. And it is God's will to keep it."

Remember, if we could be lost again God would have to agree to the separation as He was the one that sealed us and is keeping us. But He will never let us go.

Comforting thought...it makes you live holier than you would under fear of conditional salvation.

Maybe...

My disagreement is when people think that just because God is omnipotent, that He then must be "in control" of everything...including evil.

That's what I don't like about Calvinism.

It makes God out to be the problem, not satan. (Even though they would never say it that way.)