D&D Opinions

[Brimshack]

Sorry Faith, but you are being completely unreasonable about this. You can't expect to poduce a controversial opinion here and have people refrain from criticism. There were some blunt criticisms above, but I don't see any actual malice. You yourself have suggested that others' personal experiences may have been false. If it is too much to ask that you consider the same, then you really aren't prepared for the discussion you yourself started.

Also, you should seriously reconsider telling people you will pray for them as a means of insulting them or dismissing their views.

 

[The Gregorian]

Played it a lot in the early-mid 80's. We wound up throwing out the rule book with all its pagan and demonic influences and created our own version. We had some problems while playing the pagan version, there were serious spiritual attacks being conducted on our group.
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One of my friends that loved to play a thief became a thief (prov 23:7) For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.

honestly, the only time I've ever heard of someone who played D&D being "spiritually attacked" is when they failed to mention that, along with playing D&D, they were actually in to ouiji boards, demonism, or a significant amount of mind altering drugs (notice, all of the "demon attacks" happened in the 70s... ever since people stopped doing drugs so much... the demons left them alone when they played D&D.)

The fact is, you CAN have demons in a D&D campeign.... but they aren't like the demons in real life. The "demons" in D&D are simply creatures from a specific plane of existance that tend toward chaos and violence (what we define as "evil"). For example, demons are constantly at war with the devils. Devils, by the way are not some sort of supreme evil that wage war against God... they're just the more lawful inhabitance of that specific dimension... in fact they are constantly fighting the evil demons. Functionally, it is PERFECTLY possible to run into a lawful good pit fiend or balor... just because their dimension (in most campeign settings) is one plagued with war, doesn't mean all inhabitants are evil... they're just subject to a hostile environment. It's perfectly possible to see a chain demon on the celestial (good) plane of existance taking care of a lost orphan...

That aside, you can play D&D with no contact with any outside planes (including demons, angels, etc.). In my campeigns I usually stick with fighting stray bears, which mutate into dire bears, or feral dire bears, etc. as my PCs level up. I once had a month long campeign during which no one was injured... it was all about problem solving, puzzle solving, and role playing.

ANyway, I just wanted to throw that out. D&D is EXACTLY what you make it. You CAN play a campeign that will invite demons into your home, one where you kill gods, burn down orphanages, deal with devils, etc. But in order to do that, YOU have to choose to. An evil demonic person will play D&D in a way that isn't fit for a christian... If you played D&D and were attacked by a demon because of how you played... it wasn't because of the D20 system... it was because of how you were thinking outside the game.

 

[The Gregorian]

And what a vivid memory you have of it, twenty years later. or is it a highly embelleshed memory? At best, I'd count on the latter.

How utterly convenient. 20 years of exposure, and I've either (a) gotten lucky, cuz Satan doesn't need me yet, or (b) I'm already conquered but conveniently memory-wiped (are these demons or abducting aliens?).

I think it's perfectly POSSIBLE that this demon thing may have happened to him. But I don't think it was because of how a normal person would play D&D. He could have been acting in a way that is very ABNORMAL (this inviting the demon in through his demonic behavior while playing D&D... which is not how most people play.) But I don't see this guy as the type who would take D&D so far as to play in that sort of way. A second possibility is that he was so worried that D&D might invite a demon that the demon noticed and saw that as a good way to scare him. The demon came because of his FEAR, not because D&D itself is demonic. Or thirdly it could have just been a coincidence.

I remember very clearly when I was pretty young (like 5) I was having one of my nightmares (at the time I had pretty horrible nightmares every night). I was going to my parents room and there was this dark figure in my kitchen. It seemed a little shorter than an adult, and it looked to be carrying a tray or something... I didn't stick around, I just booked into my parents room and never saw it again. You have to remember... demons are jerks. If they think they can get to you, they'll try. All you have to do is realize that they're the angels that were to stupid to stay with God, therefore they can't be smart enough to be any real problem unless you let them be a problem.

 

[Dennis Moore]

Let me remind you of something:

Frankly, appealing to the authority of the OP at this point strikes me as a copout. But whatever floats your boat.

 

[Dennis Moore]

I think it's perfectly POSSIBLE that this demon thing may have happened to him. But I don't think it was because of how a normal person would play D&D. He could have been acting in a way that is very ABNORMAL (this inviting the demon in through his demonic behavior while playing D&D... which is not how most people play.)

Of course, his claim and your plausible acceptance are both predicated upon the existence of literal demons who roam the Earth and try to corrupt the young ... so you and I have very different perspectives on "POSSIBLE."

It would probably be futile to ask you for any evidence of the existence of these roaming, malevolent demons, since Faith has declined to take the discussion further.

 

[Bushido216]

Let me remind you of something:



I gave honest answers to the OP. I don't mind being asked to amplify my first post because I mostly capsulate my posts anyway. But you guys have gone overboard in trying to turn this into a heated debate with hints of slander. In this case I don't give a rats behind about your opinions or disbelief to my accounts. Infact I only touched on a couple small matters surrounding these events and the rest would obviously only cause more ridicule. I'll keep you guys in my prayers for you need it. And BTW no I was not involved in porn at the time. This has gotta be the darkest forum in cf

Try Unorthodox Theology, though I wouldn't go in there without full body armour.

 

[Alarum]

Try Unorthodox Theology, though I wouldn't go in there without full body armour.

GA is a warzone too. It's easily one of the few forums I avoid because it's just too nasty.

 

[Idicious]

Look, it's very clear. Whenever you play D&D you expose yourself to attack from Demons and Devils seeking to possess your soul. A Will save (DC 15) is normally sufficient, but save is raised by 2 if you are playing the wrong music, and lowered by 2 if you have been Blessed by a Cleric within the last 3 Sundays.

Are we clear on this?

Don't forgot to roll a real life sanity check as well at the end of every session

 

[Kelly]

Sorry, Faith Warrior, I was not implying you looked at porn, what I was trying to say was have you experienced supernatural occurances surrounding other forms of what you perceive as sinful or wrong? Porn was a just an example.

 

[Billnew]

D&D is how I learned what Charisma and Constitution meant.

Alot of people I know don't know what Dexterity is either.
For the newer, Comeliness.

I too learned what these were.

 

[Abbadon]

I gave honest answers to the OP.

We still have every right to disbelieve it.

But you guys have gone overboard in trying to turn this into a heated debate with hints of slander.

So far anyone bringing up slander has accused you of it (except me, but I think it's because you believe too much in spirits and it was not the game).

In this case I don't give a rats behind about your opinions or disbelief to my accounts.

Good. Noone else does either, apparently.

Infact I only touched on a couple small matters surrounding these events and the rest would obviously only cause more ridicule.

Oh, do please share. I might be able to find a couple of medieval Christian aids to help against that stuff. (I don't believe in that stuff, but I've studied it because I thought it be funny).

I'll keep you guys in my prayers for you need it.

You're the one that needs the prayer, you're the one that saw the spirits. Save the prayers for yourself.

And BTW no I was not involved in porn at the time.

Where did the porn bit come from? Someone made a joke earlier about having sex with elves and gnomes, but that wasn't directed at you.

This has gotta be the darkest forum in cf

Considering Lucifer means "lightbringer" (luc: light, -ifer: carry), I think we oughta' be proud of ourselves. Everyone pat yourselves on the back!

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(Over all, I see either someone that is trying to slander D&D, or believes too much and spirits and should probably start sleeping with a few aids (older Christian sigils and the like) to calm his nerves.

I'm not going to say that the stuff he saw was out of the question, but so far I'm gathering evidence of the first. I will be open to both options, however, incase the second should prove true.)

 

[Kelly]

Brothers, this thread is getting mean. It's ok to ask questions and explain POVs but now we're just attacking each other.

 

[Abbadon]

Brothers, this thread is getting mean. It's ok to ask questions and explain POVs but now we're just attacking each other.

You're right.

Ok, everybody, God is the DM, everyone quit talking out of character!

 

[Billnew]

Brothers, this thread is getting mean. It's ok to ask questions and explain POVs but now we're just attacking each other.

I agree. The OP does bring up some...different occurances but how about thinking of this as a test. This could be a one in a million occurance.

Just because we have never seen this, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Did the game cause it? I don't know.

The OP asked if we thought that other games would cause this to happen.
Again since I have never seen it, I couldn't say it could. But if it happened to this person and his friends once, it probably would again. Maybe not if at different houses.
Some of the paranormal"experts" say that it is more comon around Puberty and hormonal years. The years the brain is being hit with all kinds of new levelsof new chemicals and hormones. So by the"experts thinking" maybe the
age of the kids brought the entity to them. May be focusing on the devils and demons and other monsters brought it out in this form.

If anyone can regularly find a ghost, I would love to see one.

I, again have not had a direct paranormal experience, but I will not write this off as make believe or a lie. I have had weird experiences but nothing concrete. So I ask us all to remember the rules and make constuctive comments.

 

[Kelly]

You're right.

Ok, everybody, God is the DM, everyone quit talking out of character!

LOL

 

[Idicious]

You're right.

Ok, everybody, God is the DM, everyone quit talking out of character!