Cyber Rape

[muslimsoldier4life]

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So I haven't heard of cyber rape before, so I guess it exists. What I don't understand is this: why? Why would you wanna send someone provocative photos of yourself? I have no sympathy for her, because she knew there is a possibility that the photos would be found on the internet. Why is that? It's the internet, and almost everything can be googled that a person posts. Also, how is it "rape"? All I gotta say is this: people are too sensitive and lack moral character and fortitude.

 

[elephunky]

I wouldnt call it rape but thee should be some law against it. I would feel deeply violated if it turned out a private image of me was circling the internet.

 

[Mystman]

Why is that? It's the internet, and almost everything can be googled that a person posts. Also, how is it "rape"? All I gotta say is this: people are too sensitive and lack moral character and fortitude.

The woman didn't post it on the open internet. She send it to her then-boyfriend, who posted it on the internet (or who claims that hackers stole the materials, who posted it on the internet. Possible, but less likely). It's the same as if you send a friend or loved one a physical picture, or a physical letter with a sensitive (humiliating) story, or even just told them a personal story, and this "friend" then proceeds to share it with the entire world, including your name/picture/address/etc. And then websites repost your material for the advertising revenue, and whenever your name is put into google the first hit is a personal thing you shared in a private environment. The law can (and should) put a limit on that kind of behavior.

In general I'm a strong advocate for portrait rights/personality rights/etc, where an individual can determine what is done with his/her likeness and personal information, unless there's a strong journalistic case for sharing certain material without consent.

 

[Eudaimonist]

What I don't understand is this: why? Why would you wanna send someone provocative photos of yourself?

In some circles, that's part of meeting new people.

I have no sympathy for her, because she knew there is a possibility that the photos would be found on the internet. Why is that? It's the internet, and almost everything can be googled that a person posts.

That sounds like "blaming the victim".

Sure, maybe she shouldn't have shared photos of herself, but that doesn't excuse anyone else's bad behavior.

Also, how is it "rape"?

That's a reasonable question. It might not technically be rape.

All I gotta say is this: people are too sensitive and lack moral character and fortitude.

Some people are sensitive by nature. Telling them to have fortitude isn't going to make them less sensitive.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[CounselorForChrist]

Cyber rape? Really? I'm against rape but this is not rape. If your naive enough to send nude photos of yourself online to a "boyfriend" and think he will never share them then its your own fault. In todays world this is stuff you have to be VERY careful with.

Especially when teens do it. Its like do you really think your horny teen boyfriend won't show his friends or post them if you break up? >.>

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

That sounds like "blaming the victim".

Is blaming the victim always wrong? What if the victim is suffering because of his/her poor decisions? Sometimes it is the victim's fault.

The problem with this is the idea that you can be punished because of how you made another person feel. This ultimately means "your rights stop where my feelings begin". If prosecution can be based on something as subjective as how somebody feels, then nobody is safe.

Be careful what you share, and who you share it with.

 

[ValleyGal]

Blaming a victim is always wrong. Everyone is responsible for their own decisions and no one else's. A young gal whose boyfriend wants a provocative pic may very well keep it private, and girls trust them. After all, most people don't start dating someone they don't trust, and they don't usually date people they intend on splitting with some day. She likely sent it to him in good faith...and he is the one who betrayed her - he did not share the photo "in good faith". It is a violation of her body to share provocative pics without the consent of the person in the pic, and it is a betrayal in the deepest sense of the word.

Should it be than no man can or should be trusted? What will that teach our daughters? It's an unhealthy dynamic to introduce to relationships.

Instead, let's teach our young men that posting private things of their exes is disrespectful, a violation, and that they need to have self control over their desire to get back at the ex, no matter what wrong she did to him.

Never blame a victim. That is victimizing them all over again and does nothing to resolve anything.

 

[Gadarene]

Blaming a victim is always wrong. Everyone is responsible for their own decisions and no one else's. A young gal whose boyfriend wants a provocative pic may very well keep it private, and girls trust them. After all, most people don't start dating someone they don't trust, and they don't usually date people they intend on splitting with some day. She likely sent it to him in good faith...and he is the one who betrayed her - he did not share the photo "in good faith". It is a violation of her body to share provocative pics without the consent of the person in the pic, and it is a betrayal in the deepest sense of the word.

Should it be than no man can or should be trusted? What will that teach our daughters? It's an unhealthy dynamic to introduce to relationships.

Instead, let's teach our young men that posting private things of their exes is disrespectful, a violation, and that they need to have self control over their desire to get back at the ex, no matter what wrong she did to him.

Never blame a victim. That is victimizing them all over again and does nothing to resolve anything.

No need to gender it. Both genders post revenge porn.

 

[TerranceL]

Blaming a victim is always wrong.

That's hilariously wrong. There are times that a decision someone makes can assist in their own victimization. But we live in a feel good culture and pointing out that "hey your own poor choices might have brought you to this place in your own life" is frowned upon.

Everyone is responsible for their own decisions and no one else's.

I thought we weren't blaming victims? Would any of this have happened if she had some dignity and didn't send the photo?

Instead, let's teach our young men that posting private things of their exes is disrespectful, a violation, and that they need to have self control over their desire to get back at the ex, no matter what wrong she did to him.

Or we could teach our young women to have a bit of dignity and refuse to send lewd pictures of themselves to others.

I know it's a difficult concept but hey, personal responsiblity and all.

 

[elephunky]

Cyber rape? Really? I'm against rape but this is not rape. If your naive enough to send nude photos of yourself online to a "boyfriend" and think he will never share them then its your own fault. In todays world this is stuff you have to be VERY careful with.

Especially when teens do it. Its like do you really think your horny teen boyfriend won't show his friends or post them if you break up? >.>

So with the same kind of logic if you expose your bits to a girlfriend or boyfriend it is your fault if they mutilate them?

 

[ValleyGal]

I thought we weren't blaming victims?

I don't care if she was naked and twerking in front of him. She is still not to blame for being raped.

And yes, both genders do this. Teach kids appropriate boundaries, and they will have the dignity to not send pictures, but regardless, it does not give anyone else the right to post them anywhere. People should not be posting pictures of anyone but themselves. Period - provoked or not.

 

[1Feather]

I also would not call this rape.
Nor do I think there could ever be a law put into full force against such an despicable act because even if the offender was prosecuted it would be impossible to extract the images that violated the privacy of the one pictured from the net entirely.

If anything, this case is one that sends a message to young girls especially, that compromising photographs and the net are forever! But love is not.

 

[Gadarene]

I also would not call this rape.
Nor do I think there could ever be a law put into full force against such an despicable act because even if the offender was prosecuted it would be impossible to extract the images that violated the privacy of the one pictured from the net entirely.

This would not stop prosecution. The same argument applies to illegal downloading. You can at least prosecute the one who released the information onto the web in the first place.

No, it won't necessarily clear the information off the web entirely, but that is not the aim. The aim is to punish those who release the information.

 

[CounselorForChrist]

So with the same kind of logic if you expose your bits to a girlfriend or boyfriend it is your fault if they mutilate them?

I am so confused as to how mutilating someones genitals apply to this?!? Mutilating them would be actual violence. SHowing someones picture online is not violence. Yes its cruel to post them online of course and anyone that does so is immature. But sayings its rape is stupid.

I compare this subject to someone sending their credit card number to a "boyfriend" and trusting them not to use it the wrong away. You shouldn't send that kind of stuff until your married. Until then its dangerous since theres no guarantee you will end up married. And yes I know marriage doesn't mean things won't end badly either. But you go into marriage hoping (praying) for the best. You don't go into it saying "I hope if we take pictures of each other that we don't break up and they get posted online!"

Mind you I am a christian so my views vary from others.

 

[elephunky]

I am so confused as to how mutilating someones genitals apply to this?!? Mutilating them would be actual violence. SHowing someones picture online is not violence. Yes its cruel to post them online of course and anyone that does so is immature. But sayings its rape is stupid.

I compare this subject to someone sending their credit card number to a "boyfriend" and trusting them not to use it the wrong away. You shouldn't send that kind of stuff until your married. Until then its dangerous since theres no guarantee you will end up married. And yes I know marriage doesn't mean things won't end badly either. But you go into marriage hoping (praying) for the best. You don't go into it saying "I hope if we take pictures of each other that we don't break up and they get posted online!"

Mind you I am a christian so my views vary from others.

The logic is if you send pics of your body, its your fault if something bad happens.

Use the same logic in a face to face sense, and the logic is its your fault if something bad happens...

 

[TerranceL]

I don't care if she was naked and twerking in front of him. She is still not to blame for being raped.

Which is awesome because there was no rape in this case.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

A young gal whose boyfriend wants a provocative pic may very well keep it private, and girls trust them. After all, most people don't start dating someone they don't trust, and they don't usually date people they intend on splitting with some day. She likely sent it to him in good faith...and he is the one who betrayed her - he did not share the photo "in good faith".

Good faith =/= good judgement. Betraying somebody's trust is not in and of itself a crime, nor is it expedient to make it one. Trust by definition involves making yourself vulnerable, and that necessarily entails some risk. So be careful who you trust.

Never blame a victim. That is victimizing them all over again and does nothing to resolve anything.

Sometimes it's the only way to resolve anything. Failing to hold the victim accountable encourages the same mistake to be repeated in the future.

But sayings its rape is stupid.

Not only that, but it trivializes rape.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Failing to hold the victim accountable encourages the same mistake to be repeated in the future.

Accountable for what, though? The mistake of trusting someone? Of misjudging someone's character?

Certainly, everyone should act prudently and use the best judgment that they can, but other people can still act badly and mistreat one, and that is entirely their fault.

I doubt that the life-lesson will be lost -- no one wants to be mistreated the same way twice -- so I doubt that chastising the victim is necessary. I agree that it may be victimizing the individual all over again.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[CounselorForChrist]

The logic is if you send pics of your body, its your fault if something bad happens.

Use the same logic in a face to face sense, and the logic is its your fault if something bad happens...

Theres a difference though between online and offline.

 

[Gadarene]

Theres a difference though between online and offline.

Which is?