Cursing...

[ListenerFriendly]

First of all, do not worry: I DO NOT CURSE! But want some opinions. What are you guys opinions on cursing. We could take it as that no one should do it and it is wrong. Or we could take it that the meaning behind the words is what is wrong and not the words themselves are wrong, but that certain words are at times essential to describe levels of extremity in our messed up world. Like using it to amplify the meaning that this world is not a mess, not using it so often and in wrong ways as people do. Where it may be wrong in most situations but maybe not in certain others? I don't really have a view, except I believe people using it so much with "bad" menaings behind it is wrong? What do you think?

ROCK ON

 

[woobadooba]

First of all, do not worry: I DO NOT CURSE! But want some opinions. What are you guys opinions on cursing. We could take it as that no one should do it and it is wrong. Or we could take it that the meaning behind the words is what is wrong and not the words themselves are wrong, but that certain words are at times essential to describe levels of extremity in our messed up world. Like using it to amplify the meaning that this world is not a mess, not using it so often and in wrong ways as people do. Where it may be wrong in most situations but maybe not in certain others? I don't really have a view, except I believe people using it so much with "bad" menaings behind it is wrong? What do you think?

ROCK ON

"Entirely out of place is obscene, silly, and vulgar talk; but instead, let there be thanksgiving."
(Eph 5:4 NRSV)

 

[Sophia7]

Here's another text:

Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. (Ephesians 4:29, NIV)​

 

[Dathen]

Sorry, mistake post.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I think people make FAR too big a deal over what is seen as "vulgar speech" on the surface, and do not make NEARLY a big ENOUGH deal about the ways in which people can completely molest your spirit and conscience and rake you over the coals, demean you, diminish you, invalidate you, and crush you using nothing more nor less than the most pristine, polite, surface-clean words and tone possible. Verbal abuse isn't in the delivery, friends. IT'S IN THE INTENT AND MEANING.

 

[Sophia7]

I think people make FAR too big a deal over what is seen as "vulgar speech" on the surface, and do not make NEARLY a big ENOUGH deal about the ways in which people can completely molest your spirit and conscience and rake you over the coals, demean you, diminish you, invalidate you, and crush you using nothing more nor less than the most pristine, polite, surface-clean words and tone possible. Verbal abuse isn't in the delivery, friends. IT'S IN THE INTENT AND MEANING.

Yes, I agree although there are some vulgar words that I just don't think are appropriate to say no matter what the intent.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

But that's my point. Just about everyone feels that way, and it becomes a convenient external thing to point fingers at and justify themselves. Then they feel justified for totally berating, insulting and hurting someone presumably in the name of "speaking the truth" to them for their soul's sake (or whatever) ... and because they didn't use a CUSS WORD for crying out loud it's supposed to wash and we are all supposed to be drooling idiots standing there going "ooooh" and "aaahhhh" at what a good example they are .... *PUKE* .... when someone could have a really good heart and be doing the works of God but because they were raised in a "rougher" background occasionally a cuss word slips out here and there but OOOOOH HHHHH that is supposed to automatically invalidate everything good that they do in the eyes of HYPOCRITICAL SOCIETY.

Sorry ... I DON'T BUY IT!!!!

 

[ChrisCountryGirl]

I don't believe in cursing. A person shows class when he/she does not curse in a conversation

 

[woobadooba]

But that's my point. Just about everyone feels that way, and it becomes a convenient external thing to point fingers at and justify themselves. Then they feel justified for totally berating, insulting and hurting someone presumably in the name of "speaking the truth" to them for their soul's sake (or whatever) ... and because they didn't use a CUSS WORD for crying out loud it's supposed to wash and we are all supposed to be drooling idiots standing there going "ooooh" and "aaahhhh" at what a good example they are .... *PUKE* .... when someone could have a really good heart and be doing the works of God but because they were raised in a "rougher" background occasionally a cuss word slips out here and there but OOOOOH HHHHH that is supposed to automatically invalidate everything good that they do in the eyes of HYPOCRITICAL SOCIETY.

Sorry ... I DON'T BUY IT!!!!

People slip at times. But we aren't speaking of such people here. We're speaking of people who make a practice of these things.

Moreover, just because a person slips that doesn't make his sin right, or less severe in God's eyes. Sin is sin. There are no 'buts' about it.

If we are going to make a profession of faith in Christ, then we must make an earnest effort to walk even as He walked. Jesus didn't die to justify sin, but to save sinners. If we want to be saved we will yield to Him on every point, holding nothing back, but giving everything to God. Hence, those who are being saved show it in their actions.

Indeed we will falter at times; but we also demonstrate growth in Christ. For, in Christ we don't remain as we are. We move on to godliness/Christ-likeness.

The following passage was a wake-up call to me:

"But when the righteous turn away from their righteousness and commit iniquity and do the same abominable things that the wicked do, shall they live? None of the righteous deeds that they have done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which they are guilty and the sin they have committed, they shall die." (Eze 18:24 NRSV)

This passage fits well with Matt. 7:21-23

But don't forget this one: 1Jn. 1:9

God is patient. But life is short. We don't even know that we will live to see tomorrow. We best choose this day whom we will serve.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

First of all, do not worry: I DO NOT CURSE! But want some opinions. What are you guys opinions on cursing. We could take it as that no one should do it and it is wrong. Or we could take it that the meaning behind the words is what is wrong and not the words themselves are wrong, but that certain words are at times essential to describe levels of extremity in our messed up world. Like using it to amplify the meaning that this world is not a mess, not using it so often and in wrong ways as people do. Where it may be wrong in most situations but maybe not in certain others? I don't really have a view, except I believe people using it so much with "bad" menaings behind it is wrong? What do you think?

ROCK ON

Could you tell me where is God's "Big Book of Bad Words" Who decides which words are bad and which ones aren't. what is standard for what is cursing and what is not? i could make comparasions but i won't

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Nowhere in scripture does it state that using "vulgar" speech is a crime or a sin. It does say not to speak idle words, and it does say not to "curse" others but "cursing" and using "peppery speech" is not the same thing -- when you curse a person you call out loud for ill fortune upon them or you condemn them -- and this can be done using perfectly "pristine and flowery" speech. As for those who say X or Y is a sign of class or lack of class? Again, they've no understanding what true class is all about. Bottom line: I am not going to let anyone pass false or malicious judgments against me if I happen to get angry and say %^$&. I am not going to let anyone CENSOR me and tell me I am invalidated and dismissed because I said %^$&. I am not going to let anyone demand I "fix" myself to suit them or they won't listen to what I have to say. UNLESS AND UNTIL others will CLEAN UP their foul disgusting HEARTS full of LIES and MALICE and EVIL SURMISING and FALSE MALICIOUS JUDGMENTS and MALIGNING HYPOCRISIES thinking they can treat me like dog-poo and get away with it JUST because they haven't inserted a four-letter word in the course of doing so???? Until THEY clean up all of THAT which is the REAL MESS in this world, I do not want to hear ONE MORE WORD about how I should mince around and tiptoe and focus EVERY MOLECULE of my consciousness on preventing a %^$& from slipping out when I'm upset just to suit THEM.

CAPICHE??????

YES I am angry ..... hypocritical self-deceit makes me want to SCREAM and SMASH THINGS.

 

[woobadooba]

Nowhere in scripture does it state that using "vulgar" speech is a crime or a sin.

"Entirely out of place is obscene, silly, and vulgar talk; but instead, let there be thanksgiving." (Eph 5:4 NRSV)

Now if it isn't sinful to use such language then why did Paul inform us that it's entirely out of place? Meaning, it's never right.

It does say not to speak idle words, and it does say not to "curse" others but "cursing" and using "peppery speech" is not the same thing -- when you curse a person you call out loud for ill fortune upon them or you condemn them -- and this can be done using perfectly

It's evident to me that the OP meant to say 'cussing', not "cursing".

I am not going to let anyone CENSOR me and tell me I am invalidated and dismissed because I said %^$&. I am not going to let anyone demand I "fix" myself to suit them or they won't listen to what I have to say.

Who here has judged you in this way?

UNLESS AND UNTIL others will CLEAN UP their foul disgusting HEARTS full of LIES and MALICE and EVIL SURMISING and FALSE MALICIOUS JUDGMENTS and MALIGNING HYPOCRISIES thinking they can treat me like dog-poo and get away with it JUST because they haven't inserted a four-letter word in the course of doing so???? Until THEY clean up all of THAT which is the REAL MESS in this world, I do not want to hear ONE MORE WORD about how I should mince around and tiptoe and focus EVERY MOLECULE of my consciousness on preventing a %^$& from slipping out when I'm upset just to suit THEM.

But God isn't going to judge us by what others do, but by what we do.

By the way, no one here is judging you. We are just simply discussing something.

CAPICHE??????

YES I am angry ..... hypocritical self-deceit makes me want to SCREAM and SMASH THINGS.

Oh, so you don't want to be judged, but it's okay for you to judge me, to assume that I'm attacking your character, and that I am a hypocrite? I have not done this; and I am not a hypocrite. Hence, you are falsely accusing me of something that I haven't done, and declaring me to be something that I am not. Do you know my heart? No. Are you not guilty of doing the very same thing that you are angry about by judging me in this way?

And rather than smashing things, why not cast your cares on Christ and ask Him what He thinks about all of this? Don't you think that would be a better option?

There is no reason to get angry about this. Again, no one here is condemning you.

 

[Cliff2]

I am sure we all agree with the basics of this thread and for the majority of times refrain from using bad language.

But what about what I call "vegetarian swearing"

Oh no, they are not the same words but for the most part are not that much different in why they have been said.

"flaming" "bloomimg" "oh sugar", the list could go on forever.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I'm not going to post in this thread anymore so don't worry.

All I have to say is to Woob, if you think I was doing all that stuff to YOU? You are totally mistaken. That is you passing judgment on ME to think that. The correct answer is that I was having a strong reaction that had to do with ME and how I feel ... not any accusations about anyone else here. I wasn't even talking about you all here.

OK, that's all -- just wanted to clear that up. I'll leave you all to it.

 

[woobadooba]

I'm not going to post in this thread anymore so don't worry.

All I have to say is to Woob, if you think I was doing all that stuff to YOU? You are totally mistaken. That is you passing judgment on ME to think that. The correct answer is that I was having a strong reaction that had to do with ME and how I feel ... not any accusations about anyone else here. I wasn't even talking about you all here.

OK, that's all -- just wanted to clear that up. I'll leave you all to it.

Well, when you had said,

CAPICHE??????

I was assuming that you were referring to me since I was the last one to address you.

But I will accept your word that you weren't judging me

Moriah, you aren't the only one who has been hurt. I've been hurt by many people on and off this forum. In fact, there are two people right now who are harassing me on the forum.

It really bothers me when people do these things. But it's the flesh; and as long as the world is fleshly we are going to have to put up with it.

It's best to cast our cares on Christ. That's the only way to really overcome the pain that such people cause for others.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I'm sorry you're being harrassed Woob. People can be such poo sometimes!!

AND I'm sorry I made you feel like I was going off at you personally. That's just how I talk when I'm in rant mode. It was not directed at you but at a whole slew of "ghosts" from my past that constantly haunt me.

It's cool, I love you Woob!!!

 

[woobadooba]

It's cool, I love you Woob!!!

Thanks. It's good to hear this

For, my burdens often cause me to feel like I'm not appreciated.

By the way, as your brother in Christ, I love you too

 

[Sophia7]

People slip at times. But we aren't speaking of such people here. We're speaking of people who make a practice of these things.

Moreover, just because a person slips that doesn't make his sin right, or less severe in God's eyes. Sin is sin. There are no 'buts' about it.

If we are going to make a profession of faith in Christ, then we must make an earnest effort to walk even as He walked. Jesus didn't die to justify sin, but to save sinners. If we want to be saved we will yield to Him on every point, holding nothing back, but giving everything to God. Hence, those who are being saved show it in their actions.

Indeed we will falter at times; but we also demonstrate growth in Christ. For, in Christ we don't remain as we are. We move on to godliness/Christ-likeness.

The following passage was a wake-up call to me:

"But when the righteous turn away from their righteousness and commit iniquity and do the same abominable things that the wicked do, shall they live? None of the righteous deeds that they have done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which they are guilty and the sin they have committed, they shall die." (Eze 18:24 NRSV)

This passage fits well with Matt. 7:21-23

But don't forget this one: 1Jn. 1:9

God is patient. But life is short. We don't even know that we will live to see tomorrow. We best choose this day whom we will serve.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Thanks. It's good to hear this

For, my burdens often cause me to feel like I'm not appreciated.

By the way, as your brother in Christ, I love you too

Oh Woob ... ME TOO! I can completely relate to that.
Let's affirm one another in Love, in Christ.
I love you like a Sister in Him.

 

[Dasdream]

Verbal abuse isn't in the delivery, friends. IT'S IN THE INTENT AND MEANING.

I beg to differ,
Colossians verse 3 chapter 8 “But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth”

I state in my book ( that doesn't seem to get published ) that we tend to make excuses for our sins. You say it is ok aslong as we don't direct it towards someone. Foul language is foul language, doesn't matter how you sugar coat it or who it's directed at.