Curious

[Biblewriter]

I am curious as to why this sub-forum has been invaded by so many trolls whose sole purpose is to discredit the entire study of eschatology.

Why do these people think it is appropriate to come to a place dedicated to a particular field of scriptural study, only to attack the study itself?

It makes no sense, and has caused many former posters to throw up their hands in disgust and simply walk away.

Is this your goal?

 

[James-49]

I am curious as to why this sub-forum has been invaded by so many trolls whose sole purpose is to discredit the entire study of eschatology.

Why do these people think it is appropriate to come to a place dedicated to a particular field of scriptural study, only to attack the study itself?

It makes no sense, and has caused many former posters to throw up their hands in disgust and simply walk away.

Is this your goal?

Hi, Biblewriter,

Merry Christmas

As to your question - we both know the wicked go to church, too.

"'An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'
"'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'"
Matthew 13:28-30 (NIV)

 

[Rev20]

I am curious as to why this sub-forum has been invaded by so many trolls whose sole purpose is to discredit the entire study of eschatology.

Why do these people think it is appropriate to come to a place dedicated to a particular field of scriptural study, only to attack the study itself?

It makes no sense, and has caused many former posters to throw up their hands in disgust and simply walk away.

Is this your goal?

Would you care to post a few examples of those posts which you claim "discredit the entire study of eschatology?"

 

[Douggg]

I am curious as to why this sub-forum has been invaded by so many trolls whose sole purpose is to discredit the entire study of eschatology.

Why do these people think it is appropriate to come to a place dedicated to a particular field of scriptural study, only to attack the study itself?

It makes no sense, and has caused many former posters to throw up their hands in disgust and simply walk away.

Is this your goal?

Merry Christimas, James,

I made a thread over in the suggest new forum - forum - of a futurist only forum.

Please go over there and throw in your support.

Tallguy88 took the issue to the powers which are, and made this latest post....

Here is the answer I received once I brought this up:

Please tell them we are expecting significant and interesting changes for CF in the first quarter of 2015 and will avoid creating new forums until then.

What changes? Can't disclose yet.
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So James, we will have to see what the changes are.

 

[Interplanner]

Yes, you can always create a futurist safe house. Don't you see that the purpose of the forum is not to reinforce any particular ideas but to test all things and hold on to what is good--as it should be?

I can name a ton of things that BW says are "true" that just don't stand up, and that's his problem. We are in the NT era (not the OT as though the NT never said anything) and a Christian forum on eschatology and prophecy should reflect that understanding. Many of the things BW believes are not NT-based, so when he encounters it, he is flummoxed to figure out why anyone on earth would disagree with him.

Or maybe he has recently learned how much time he has spent thinking a person should start in the Rev and make sense out of everything else from that start. Worthless idea. One of the four pillars of Protestant interp (acc. to B. Ramm) was the opposite. Would BW like to explain why this switched in the mid 1800s? That would be a good forum but it would not be reason to create a futurist only safe house, because he would still always have to explain why Ramm said that, and why his text was accepted by places such as the D'ist college I attended (in spite of the inconsistency of doing so).

 

[Interplanner]

Some more thoughts for BW. Why not just go to Worthy chr Forums where I was expelled for my historical views? You wouldn't have to deal with hard questions anymore!

Also just look at the thread "who will be in the land during Dan's 70th week?" Can you not see the assumptions built into the question and that they need to be supported first? Is the question being asked in a way to 'trick' people into thinking the assumptions are correct?

 

[Codger]

Merry Christimas, James, I made a thread over in the suggest new forum - forum - of a futurist only forum. Please go over there and throw in your support. Tallguy88 took the issue to the powers which are, and made this latest post.... Here is the answer I received once I brought this up: Please tell them we are expecting significant and interesting changes for CF in the first quarter of 2015 and will avoid creating new forums until then. What changes? Can't disclose yet. So James, we will have to see what the changes are.

You already have a Futurist Forum. Look under "General Theology" and you will see the forum titled "DISPENSATIONALISM." What more could' you want?

 

[Biblewriter]

You already have a Futurist Forum. Look under "General Theology" and you will see the forum titled "DISPENSATIONALISM." What more could' you want?

That forum has also been invaded by the same types.

 

[Rev20]

That forum has also been invaded by the same types.

Biblewriter, you have not presented any examples from those posters "whose sole purpose is to discredit the entire study of eschatology." Therefore, I must assume you are referring to anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[Biblewriter]

I can name a ton of things that BW says are "true" that just don't stand up, and that's his problem. We are in the NT era (not the OT as though the NT never said anything) and a Christian forum on eschatology and prophecy should reflect that understanding. Many of the things BW believes are not NT-based, so when he encounters it, he is flummoxed to figure out why anyone on earth would disagree with him.

Some more thoughts for BW. Why not just go to Worthy chr Forums where I was expelled for my historical views? You wouldn't have to deal with hard questions anymore!

Also just look at the thread "who will be in the land during Dan's 70th week?" Can you not see the assumptions built into the question and that they need to be supported first? Is the question being asked in a way to 'trick' people into thinking the assumptions are correct?

The "problems" you imagine you have"flummoxed" me exist entirely in your imagination.

Which is correct? What the scriptures actually say, or what someone claims they mean?

But again, why do you keep coming here and denying that eschatology is a profitable subject for scriptural study?

 

[Biblewriter]

Would you care to post a few examples of those posts which you claim "discredit the entire study of eschatology?"

Biblewriter, you have not presented any examples from those posters "whose sole purpose is to discredit the entire study of eschatology." Therefore, I must assume you are referring to anyone who disagrees with you.

Eschatology, by definition, is the study of "last things," the study of the end times. I mean people that deny that the period which the scriptures call the "end times" will ever actually take place.

 

[Douggg]

That forum has also been invaded by the same types.

Futurism and dispensationism are not interchangeable terms.

I am a futurist, but not a dispensationalist.

 

[Rev20]

Eschatology, by definition, is the study of "last things," the study of the end times. I mean people that deny that the period which the scriptures call the "end times" will ever actually take place.

I have not read anyone on this forum deny the period which the scripture calls the "end times" will never actually take place. I have read disagreements on when that will occur or has occurred, mostly based on private interpretation of prophecy; but I have not read anyone deny it will happen or has happened.

Will you provide a few examples, please?

 

[Biblewriter]

I have not read anyone on this forum deny the period which the scripture calls the "end times" will never actually take place. I have read disagreements on when that will occur or has occurred, mostly based on private interpretation of prophecy; but I have not read anyone deny it will happen or has happened.

Will you provide a few examples, please?

Claiming it has already taken place is denying that it will take place.

 

[rollinTHUNDER]

Some more thoughts for BW. Why not just go to Worthy chr Forums where I was expelled for my historical views?

It may be helpful to quit living in the past. Most of us on this forum choose to live by faith as we look forward to the promises/prophecies being fulfilled.

You are like a fish out of water here. I would advise that you might fit in better on a full preterist forum instead, since your views are very similar.

2 Peter 3:3-10
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.




Cheers

 

[keras]

As a poster who has come against those people that deny future events as described in Bible prophecy, I am ambivalent about what Biblewriter suggests in the OP of this thread.

It is evident that all, [I trust] here are Christian believers. As individuals, we all have differing ideas of the meaning and significance about most everything in scripture. That's just our human nature.
Eschatology is obviously the most contentious area, as it pertains to the future. God has not made it easy to understand what He has planned, but what we must guard against most carefully, is mans theories, ideas and doctrines.
So with preterists; those who think the prophesies are either fulfilled or abrogated, to prove their case, it's up to them to cite the historical record of prophesies fulfilled or made redundant. That they can't do that in most cases, is evident from my 5 or so years of writing on end times events.
However their determined arguments have provided a way for me to expand and clarify the truth of prophecy, so some good comes from reasonable argument. What is not good is their often rude and denigrating comments.

Many times I have posted an OP of a Prophetic Word and there has been no response, so at least if the rabid preterists leap to throw it into the dustbin of history, some response is better than nothing and makes the 'lurkers' think 'who's right here?

 

[Rev20]

Claiming it has already taken place is denying that it will take place.

Baloney. There are at least two "last days." One of those last days (the last days of Israel) occurred during the generation of Jesus Christ, according to both Paul (Heb 1:1-2) and Peter (Acts 2:16-17.) The only events left are the defeat of Satan and the final judgement, when EVERY knee shall bow before God, that is, before Christ. All other "end-times" beliefs are based on Jewish fables.

Biblewriter, I have never seen you discuss this; but what is the "new name" that God promised his servants? Could it be, "Christian?"

"Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off." -- Isa 56:5​

"For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name." -- Isa 62:1-2​

"And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:" -- Isa 65:15​

Which people had it's name left for a curse? Israel, of course:

"Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;" -- Deu 28:45-47​

"And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it." -- Deu 28:63​

"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:" -- Deu 30:19​

"For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands." -- Deu 31:27-29​

"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet [John the Baptist] before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." -- Mal 4:5-6 KJV​

Biblewriter, you really didn't believe that things would be hunky-dory after they murdered His Son, did you?

"And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the BUILDERS rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?" -- Matt 21:34-42 KJV​

 

[Rev20]

It may be helpful to quit living in the past. Most of us on this forum choose to live by faith as we look forward to the promises/prophecies being fulfilled.

You are like a fish out of water here. I would advise that you might fit in better on a full preterist forum instead, since your views are very similar.

You obviously have no clue what full preterism is all about. Interplanner is more of a Postmillennialist, and is far removed from full preterism.

For the record, this is an Orthodox Christian forum. Orthodox Christianity is based on doctrine similar to that of Interplanner's, and is contrary to that of the premillennialist/dispensationalist. Maybe you would be happier on the Unorthodox forum.

 

[Rev20]

Many times I have posted an OP of a Prophetic Word and there has been no response, so at least if the rabid preterists leap to throw it into the dustbin of history, some response is better than nothing and makes the 'lurkers' think 'who's right here?

You are such a sweetheart, Keras. Did you learn such charm from those Jewish fables you endorse?

 

[Interplanner]

What is profit? Your assumption just flummoxed you again. Who says it is not going in a profitable direction now that the worthless futurist stuff has been demoted?

Where, anywhere, is your kind of futurist stuff in the NT, constantly banging on about the last 10 chapters of Ezekiel?

Your main "problem" that is not imaginary at all (I'll look up the threads if I have to) is that you deny the technical covenant terms exist in Eph 2-3, which are the reasons for saying the opposite of what you do about the promises to Israel. Eph 2-3 say they are fulfilled in the Gospel of Christ. You say no such thing is said and go to great lenths to deny and say it has to be battles with evil countries on the steppes of Israels' mountiains. You've done this over and over.

You think Rom 11:26 is a state of Israel coming soon. The meaning of the text is nothing like that. It is far more a matter of conclusiveness in light of the Gospel as vs 30, 31 say. So 30, 31 are a "problem" for you because you have to have 2P2P intact. The NT is a problem for you because you have to have 2P2P intact.