What are the views of the catholic church..what are docterine and what are "gray" areas? Just curious what ya'll catholics think. I have studies the catholic beliefs just wondering what you thought where the doctorine ones...
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Hi Louis -
This may take a bit of time, but I think its a good subject. I'll try and post some stuff this evening. Hopefully someone else will jump in sooner, but if you can wait I'll try and help you out!
Welcome and God bless.
This may take a bit of time, but I think its a good subject. I'll try and post some stuff this evening. Hopefully someone else will jump in sooner, but if you can wait I'll try and help you out!
Welcome and God bless.
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Oops...I was busy working late last night...we'll try again today.
Louis..could you elaborate on what "views" of the Catholic Church you're curious about?
I probably can answer the "grey area" questions and the docternal questions as well. Get me some more specific details and we'll go from there.
Peace be with you.
Louis..could you elaborate on what "views" of the Catholic Church you're curious about?
I probably can answer the "grey area" questions and the docternal questions as well. Get me some more specific details and we'll go from there.
Peace be with you.
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I'm sorry, Louis, I just had to correct the title of the thread. For some reason it was driving me nuts. 
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:lol: yeah sheep my spelling isn't too good. I was refering to Dogma..stuff like that. I was curious as to what you considered doctrine ie diety of Christ..My main trust is this...I have studies catholism but never really talked to any catholics that actually knew what they believed and why. I want to know why, for example I guess, you are catholic and not penicostal..ya know..differences in docterine? Is that clear as mud?
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I'm a Protestant who converted to Catholicism. For me the clincher was the testimony of the Early Church Fathers... the men who wrote the earliest post-Apostolic writings were Catholic. Without a doubt. They held the core beliefs I hold today, that the Church has proclaimed for 2000 years: Christ is God, the Eucharist is Real, Salvation is by Grace, the Primacy of Rome.
Plus, it didn't hurt that Southern Baptists don't like the Catholic Church. Anything the Southern Baptists don't like is worth looking into.
Kirk
Plus, it didn't hurt that Southern Baptists don't like the Catholic Church. Anything the Southern Baptists don't like is worth looking into.
Kirk
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::sniff sniff:: I'm SB and some of my best friends are Catholics.
Hahahahahaha....I bin wantin' to use that one a looong time.
Seriously, is that really the impression a Catholic gets? I know Independant Baptists think all Catholics are going to hell, but I don't personally know any SBs who think that way.
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Kirk, you crack me up.
My husband converted from SB, and as far as his family is concerned he might as well have shaved his head and put on an orange robe and started hanging out at airports. They have no clue what the Church really is.
Louis, the core of our beliefs are found in the Nicene, or Apostles', Creed. I, personally, like the Nicene better because it has a bit more detail and you say 'We believe" instead of "I believe". It stregthens my sense of community. Here it is:
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Perhaps if you could be a bit more specific about the other 'doctrines', then we could be more helpful.
My husband converted from SB, and as far as his family is concerned he might as well have shaved his head and put on an orange robe and started hanging out at airports. They have no clue what the Church really is.
Louis, the core of our beliefs are found in the Nicene, or Apostles', Creed. I, personally, like the Nicene better because it has a bit more detail and you say 'We believe" instead of "I believe". It stregthens my sense of community. Here it is:
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he was born of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Perhaps if you could be a bit more specific about the other 'doctrines', then we could be more helpful.
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Well first, Kirk I am southern baptist..:lol: but I really view myself as the early church did and say I am a follower of the way
I based on that creed, which I have studied before..but thanks always love to read it southern baptists would be Catholics..What I guess I would have to say do you differ on then in most denoms? Just to let ya know..I am just curiuos..I'm not converting..and not looking to convert I just have found that some of the ideas held in what I percieve to be the catholic church is just ...well to be honest kinda strange. I do submit that my perception might we way wrong, and probably is..that is why I'm asking
I based on that creed, which I have studied before..but thanks always love to read it
southern baptists would be Catholics..What I guess I would have to say do you differ on then in most denoms? Just to let ya know..I am just curiuos..I'm not converting..and not looking to convert I just have found that some of the ideas held in what I percieve to be the catholic church is just ...well to be honest kinda strange. I do submit that my perception might we way wrong, and probably is..that is why I'm asking
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Louis -
Throw us a bone here!
Let's take it one issue at a time. Ask away!
I promise, we won't try and convert you - only the Holy Spirit can do that!
Besides, the hair grows back quickly!
Throw us a bone here!
Let's take it one issue at a time. Ask away!
I promise, we won't try and convert you - only the Holy Spirit can do that!
Besides, the hair grows back quickly!
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Louis, why don't you start with something you don't understand and go from there. Your question is like asking why we believe in God. Just way too much information.
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I have been ignored.
I venture into this forum for respite from the War of the Round Table, and I am ignored.
I think I may cry.
I venture into this forum for respite from the War of the Round Table, and I am ignored.
I think I may cry.
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Awww, thanks for the hug!
Well, Kirk made a comment about Southern Baptists and how they feel about Catholics, and I asked:
I was basically raised SB and have never been taught to have any sort of condescending feelins towards Catholics. i was just curious about his comment.
Well, Kirk made a comment about Southern Baptists and how they feel about Catholics, and I asked:
I was basically raised SB and have never been taught to have any sort of condescending feelins towards Catholics. i was just curious about his comment.
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Actually Weary, I am very naive when it comes to denominations. I was raised Catholic and so I thought everyone was Catholic. Even when I left the RCC it didn't really occur to me look at other denominations because by then I realized that we are all Christian.
The most I know about denominations is from King Henry VIII, so that's pretty useless. So I guess I'm saying I have no idea what the average Catholic things about SB and I really have no idea what the differences are.
The most I know about denominations is from King Henry VIII, so that's pretty useless. So I guess I'm saying I have no idea what the average Catholic things about SB and I really have no idea what the differences are.
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I don't know if it's necessarily a SB thing.
We talked about this on a different thread - I think someCatholics appear to be smug or condescending to Protestants.
And I believe that can run both ways - especially in the Fundamentalist and Pentacostal sects. I think its unnecessary and frankly - wrong. We are separated bretheren and its our prayer that one day we will be reunited and in full communion.
We talked about this on a different thread - I think someCatholics appear to be smug or condescending to Protestants.
And I believe that can run both ways - especially in the Fundamentalist and Pentacostal sects. I think its unnecessary and frankly - wrong. We are separated bretheren and its our prayer that one day we will be reunited and in full communion.
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the Sacramental life of the Church.
There are seven Sacraments we hold to and celebrate. (And which, btw, are not exclusive to the Catholic Church!) They are:
Baptism
Confirmation
Eucharist
Penance
Anointing of the Sick
Holy Orders
Matrimony
It's probably best to tackle one at a time. Baptism should be the least stressful. The Catechism says this about Baptism...
683. "'No one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit.'[1 Cor 12:3 .] 'God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, 'Abba! Father!''[Gal 4:6 .] This knowledge of faith is possible only in the Holy Spirit: to be in touch with Christ, we must first have been touched by the Holy Spirit. He comes to meet us and kindles faith in us. By virtue of our BAPTISM, the first SACRAMENT of the faith, the Holy Spirit in the Church communicates to us, intimately and personally, the life that originates in the Father and is offered to us in the Son.
BAPTISM gives us the grace of new birth in God the Father, through his Son, in the Holy Spirit. For those who bear God's Spirit are led to the Word, that is, to the Son, and the Son presents them to the Father, and the Father confers incorruptibility on them. And it is impossible to see God's Son without the Spirit, and no one can approach the Father without the Son, for the knowledge of the Father is the Son, and the knowledge of God's Son is obtained through the Holy Spirit.[St. Irenaeus, Dem. ap. 7: SCh 62, 41-42.]"
Are we ok with this one?
There are seven Sacraments we hold to and celebrate. (And which, btw, are not exclusive to the Catholic Church!) They are:
Baptism
Confirmation
Eucharist
Penance
Anointing of the Sick
Holy Orders
Matrimony
It's probably best to tackle one at a time.
Baptism should be the least stressful. The Catechism says this about Baptism...683. "'No one can say 'Jesus is Lord' except by the Holy Spirit.'[1 Cor 12:3 .] 'God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, 'Abba! Father!''[Gal 4:6 .] This knowledge of faith is possible only in the Holy Spirit: to be in touch with Christ, we must first have been touched by the Holy Spirit. He comes to meet us and kindles faith in us. By virtue of our BAPTISM, the first SACRAMENT of the faith, the Holy Spirit in the Church communicates to us, intimately and personally, the life that originates in the Father and is offered to us in the Son.
BAPTISM gives us the grace of new birth in God the Father, through his Son, in the Holy Spirit. For those who bear God's Spirit are led to the Word, that is, to the Son, and the Son presents them to the Father, and the Father confers incorruptibility on them. And it is impossible to see God's Son without the Spirit, and no one can approach the Father without the Son, for the knowledge of the Father is the Son, and the knowledge of God's Son is obtained through the Holy Spirit.[St. Irenaeus, Dem. ap. 7: SCh 62, 41-42.]"
Are we ok with this one?
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so in accordence with what you posted Catholics believe that you cannot recieve the spirit until baptism or you just cannot "speak" to him?
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No, the Holy Spirit speaks to our hearts before we are baptised. Of course, baptism takes place for most Catholics as an infant, unless you join and are baptised as an adult.
I think what the section is stating is that by our baptism we are cleansed and our hearts opened to the Holy Spirit, which leads us to the son and ultimately to God.
I think what the section is stating is that by our baptism we are cleansed and our hearts opened to the Holy Spirit, which leads us to the son and ultimately to God.
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hmm..okay..this line threw me..."By virtue of our BAPTISM, the first SACRAMENT of the faith, the Holy Spirit in the Church communicates to us, intimately and personally......."
One thing I have heard is that communion..do you really believe you are eating flesh and blood?
One thing I have heard is that communion..do you really believe you are eating flesh and blood?
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