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Curious About Useage

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by shmuel, May 23, 2006.

  1. shmuel

    shmuel Active Member

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    The following is a point about which I have been curious for a number of years, but it just never seemed worth the effort to post a question about it. But recently I've seen the name Y'shua used on this forum. So before I forget about it, I am finally going to post a question on the subject.

    I know a bit of Hebrew and can work with a Hebrew Tanakh. In the books of Ezra, Nehimiah and Chronicles in the Hebrew Tanakh the name yod-shin-vav-ayin appears. In all cases the yod is vocalized with a tsere which is grammatically a long e (and would be marked with an overbar if diacritical marks are used). Generally, a ' is used to transliterate a sheva (also alef and sometimes ayin, but that is not contextually reasonable here), which is a half vowel, i.e. a very briefly and indistinctly pronounced vowel. Although a sheva is often transliterated with an e (a small raised e or inverted e if such symbols are available) I have never seen a tsere transliterated as '. So my question is: Is there some convention being used that I don't understand, or is this simply an error? The Hebrew translation of the NT produced by the Bible Society in Israel always uses a tsere to vocalize the yod in the name of the Messiah; therefore, I am leaning toward the idea that the transliteration as Y'shua is, in fact, an error. Is there anyone here who can shed light on this?
     
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  2. insaneinthebrain

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    If I was going to be 100% honest, I'd say it probably has something to do with ignorance of the Hebrew language. I know I started spelling it with the apostrophe simply because that's how I'd seen it spelled by others.

    Nowadays, I've replaced the apostrophe with an "e," not because I know anything about proper pronunciation, but because that seems to be the more popular rendering. :D Also, about a year or so ago, I finally got off the bandwagon that opposes use of the name "Jesus." Since most of my friends are non-denom Christians, I tend to use "Jesus" more in emails and whatnot than "Yeshua." Sometimes you have to recognize when you're putting up a stumbling block. (feel free to ignore this tangent, as I don't want to be responsible for derailment of this thread)
     
  3. shmuel

    shmuel Active Member

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    I try to use both the traditional transliteration of names that came into English by way of Greek and Latin as well as those that come directly from Hebrew to English. I want people to understand that I do not find fault with traditional transliterations. I have used the name Jesus on this subforum on more than one occasion, and I plan to continue to do so.
     
  4. Sephania

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    I've always wondered where that came from too. I have seen the ezra spelling of the priest, and that is the only place you will find Yeshua in the tenach as far as I know that one priest name, and also in chroni, the course of Yeshua which I think has a higher meaning but that is another thread. :)
     
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