Curiosity killed Christianity?

[DogmaHunter]

What if reason and logic is how you came to faith?

Reason and logic never leads to accepting things on bad evidence (= faith)

 

[quatona]

Well you do suffer from terminal uniqueness Fabio, but ironically nonconformist are all alike at the end of the wash.

Funny way of justifying the broad brush.

Any two things are alike if you ignore the differences.

 

[Return to Skepticism]

Do you believe that science has/will put an end to Christianity as far as biblical reasoning and science goes? I think that as we further advance in our scientific world, we will lose, not necessarily our want for religion, but our ability to reason out religion as a logical choice. Opinion time!

I'd say no, only in that people that cling to faith, will do so long past the point of reason.

there are still flat-earthers.

 

[Colter]

Religion as a whole IS one big bag of superstition dude...



It is. Here's the dictionary definition of the word:

1. a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge, in or of the ominous significance of a particular thing, circumstance, occurrence, proceeding, or the like.
2. a system or collection of such beliefs.
3. a custom or act based on such a belief.
4. irrational fear of what is unknown or mysterious, especially in connection with religion.
5. any blindly accepted belief or notion.

How does "religion" not fit those descriptions?

It seems your definitions of religion, from a secular perspective, could just as well apply to the Atheist unbelief-belief system.

From the vantage point of one who has found God Atheist seem superstitious, paranoid, bordering on cosmic insanity as they are dedicated to a philosophy of life which terminates in death; soul extinction. Spiritualist are accused by materialist of imagining things, but we feel you are imagining an ultimately meaninglessness of life.

 

[Colter]

Funny way of justifying the broad brush.

Any two things are alike if you ignore the differences.

Maybe someone at the international association of pretentious Atheist among us could come up with a standard definition or term that we could use in public dialogue so as not to offend the hypersensitive Atheists?

 

[Return to Skepticism]

It seems your definitions of religion, from a secular perspective, could just as well apply to the Atheist unbelief-belief system.

From the vantage point of one who has found God Atheist seem superstitious, paranoid, bordering on cosmic insanity as they are dedicated to a philosophy of life which terminates in death; soul extinction. Spiritualist are accused by materialist of imagining things, but we feel you are imagining an ultimately meaninglessness of life.

This uses the old canard of "without God, life is therefore meaningless."

Life DOES terminate in death. This is not a philosophy, but a reality. The disputed concept is afterlife.

 

[quatona]

Maybe someone at the international association of pretentious Atheist among us could come up with a standard definition or term that we could use in public dialogue so as not to offend the hypersensitive Atheists?

Well, you have been given the standard definition of "atheism" multiple times, it just doesn´t allow for the broad statements you´d like to make. Somewhere there must be the reason for the use of an imagined "(The) Atheist" instead of "atheists" or "atheism".
That´s not a problem per se, it´s just unfortunate when most of your statements about "(The) Atheist" don´t fit the real existing atheists discussing with you. It feels like you don´t want to talk to people but want to talk about a rare species that isn´t in the room.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I don't think religion will ever go away entirely, there will always be people who cling to irrational beliefs in the face of all evidence.

I do think however that religion will one day be relegated to a fairly small and fringe minority within society. It's already happened in some places (i.e. The Scandinavian countries and some other European states).

I do think that eventually Christianity will fade into history like the worship of the ancient Greek gods did, however that day will be a long time in the future.

 

[South Bound]

Do you believe that science has/will put an end to Christianity as far as biblical reasoning and science goes?

No.

I think that as we further advance in our scientific world, we will lose, not necessarily our want for religion, but our ability to reason out religion as a logical choice. Opinion time!

Given that some of the greatest scientists in history, including many who founded entire fields of science or made discoveries that revolutionized fields of study, were Christians, or, at least, theists, I sincerely doubt that.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Given that some of the greatest scientists in history, including many who founded entire fields of science or made discoveries that revolutionized fields of study, were Christians, or, at least, theists, I sincerely doubt that.

What does those people's religion have to do with anything? In many if not most cases, their religion was completely irrelevant to their scientific discoveries.

 

[South Bound]

What does those people's religion have to do with anything? In many if not most cases, their religion was completely irrelevant to their scientific discoveries.

You should read the OP before responding.

 

[Dave Ellis]

You should read the OP before responding.

I did read the OP, now please address my response to your post.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I did read the OP, now please address my response to your post.

The OP asked if an increase in scientific knowledge and discovery would effectively kill Christianity or religious faith. Many people who have contributed to that scientific research and discovery have themselves been people of religious faith, Christian or otherwise.

That would seem to indicate that the science vs religion narrative is basically false.

That their religious dispositions weren't relevant to their scientific research and discovery is a moot point.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[bhsmte]

The OP asked if an increase in scientific knowledge and discovery would effectively kill Christianity or religious faith. Many people who have contributed to that scientific research and discovery have themselves been people of religious faith, Christian or otherwise.

That would seem to indicate that the science vs religion narrative is basically false.

That their religious dispositions weren't relevant to their scientific research and discovery is a moot point.

-CryptoLutheran

I believe, the science vs religion issue, really applies mostly to the "fundamentalist" type of believer.

Most other religious believers, can adapt and they have the mind to accept well evidenced realities.

 

[Ken-1122]

What if reason and logic is how you came to faith?

That is a bit of a contradiction in terms. Kinda like saying my faith is based upon proof. IOW, if you have reason and logic; you don't need faith! However if reason and logic is required for you to have faith; I suspect you would probably be an atheist.

Ken

 

[Return to Skepticism]

The OP asked if an increase in scientific knowledge and discovery would effectively kill Christianity or religious faith. Many people who have contributed to that scientific research and discovery have themselves been people of religious faith, Christian or otherwise.

That would seem to indicate that the science vs religion narrative is basically false.

That their religious dispositions weren't relevant to their scientific research and discovery is a moot point.

-CryptoLutheran

How do you figure?

As scientific research has progressed, the God of the gaps has been slotted into smaller and smaller holes. Scientific inquiry has directly refuted biblical "truths" that now must be considered allegorical or dismissed entirely.

So in early scientific research you could apply "because God" at the end of it all. This becomes more and more untenable the more we learn.

 

[Hezekiah Holbrooke]

Do you believe that science has/will put an end to Christianity as far as biblical reasoning and science goes? I think that as we further advance in our scientific world, we will lose, not necessarily our want for religion, but our ability to reason out religion as a logical choice. Opinion time!

I don't think it will be science although that will be the mantra for the atheists and the evolutionists. We are told that apostasy will increase and Christ mused as to whether He would find faith in the earth when He returns.

I say the lust for pleasure and self-indulgence will rule men's hearts and minds and lawlessness will increase as we go forward. Families are already not attending church as they once did. The world and our moral character are not getting any better.

 

[gnomon]

Do you believe that science has/will put an end to Christianity as far as biblical reasoning and science goes? I think that as we further advance in our scientific world, we will lose, not necessarily our want for religion, but our ability to reason out religion as a logical choice. Opinion time!

No.

Scientific observation will call into question various claims put forth by the Bible both in the realms of archeology, such as the claim the Bible makes of the Exodus, and in the possibility of the miracles but Christianity, besides the miracle of a being sent to Earth to save our souls, does not conflict much with science.

The Vatican itself, that old institution of "official" Christendom, has accepted scientific views regarding cosmology and even evolution and announced a non-conflict with the belief of a caring God who sent his only begotten Son to save our souls.

In other words, the basic tenet of Christianity, that of a Jewish Rabbi called the Christ, is wholly untestable by scientific means. It is simply a matter of faith.

As far as religion in general so many people confuse the concept of religion with faith. Religion in general is a means to codify cultural precepts. This includes the moral code of a certain culture to the very basic day to day lives of people within a specific culture. Religion doesn't really need a God. It needs the people to identify with a cultural precept that is "enforced" by a religion. Judaism is a great example. I know many Jews who do not actually believe in God or the writings of the Tanakh or the Torah yet they practice the traditions of the religion because it is an identification of themselves as a people. They practice the religion but the ultimate spirituality of represented in the ancient scriptures is not adhered to.

A great writer wrote a book about religion not being about God. His name is Loyal Rue and it's a great treatise discussing that religion is ultimately not about the supernatural, or God, but about the people in any given culture. I find that his treatise is proved every day by looking at the modern world and the many denominations of every major religion codifying specific cultural views based upon ethnic identity. Science, in terms of physics and mathematics, has nothing to say on these matters. It is an anthropological study.

 

[ViaCrucis]

How do you figure?

As scientific research has progressed, the God of the gaps has been slotted into smaller and smaller holes. Scientific inquiry has directly refuted biblical "truths" that now must be considered allegorical or dismissed entirely.

And that's the problem with the "god of the gaps". I regard it not only theological suicide but also completely contrary to the historic Christian theological tradition which does not insist that God exists "in the gaps" but is the That which fills all things and in which all things exist.

Understanding parts of Scripture as non-literal isn't something new, it's not the sort of thing Christianity has done to "accommodate", it's an intrinsic part of the tradition. Just look at Origen, St. Augustine, or Thomas Aquinas.

So in early scientific research you could apply "because God" at the end of it all. This becomes more and more untenable the more we learn.

"Because God" isn't science (and it's never been science), it's theology.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Smidlee]

If scientific knowledge kills anything it would be materialism and possibly realism.