CRT and Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

coffee4u · Oct 29, 2021

As someone who isn't American I find this interesting:
"Also this — white children and adults should absolutely feel bad about the past atrocities committed by white Americans. They should feel guilty. They should cringe at what their ancestors did."

My first thought was, what about all the people who came as later immigrants? A quick google says Between 1900 and 1915 alone, more than 15 million immigrants arrived in the United States and millions more would have arrived since then. How is someone who arrived say from Poland in 1978 guilty for 'past sins of ancestors in the US'

More than 1 million Europeans between 1530 and 1780 from Sicily to Cornwall were taken as slaves. They would have ancestors, some probably reside in the US.

And what about the white abolitionists? They may be a small number, but do they not have descendants? Is this person checking a 'white' person's ancestry? I doubt it.

Then if ancestors are being blamed, what about all the black Africans that sold other African's into slavery, do they get a free pass?

This entire CTR thing is to make black people feel like victims and white people to feel guilty for being 'white' for their ancestors 'crimes'. Even when their ancestors may have had nothing to do with what they are being accused of, may have been people working to remedy the situation or even have been slaves themselves.

I do think the Government has a need to apologise for past sins and to make sure schools teach all of history. But CRT was not what the Civil rights movement was about and anyone who thinks its a good idea to make a group take on a victim complex is not whom they seem.

dqhall · Oct 30, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Jury awards $10M to former exec who said he was fired because he is white male

White man fired for being white.

Chicago Art Institute dismantles docent program in equity effort

100 old white ladies fired for "diversity".

Survey Finds That 34% of White College Applicants Lied About Their Race

White students lie about race to improve their chances of getting into college.

Condoleezza Rice’s CRT stance proves she’s a foot solider for white supremacy

OP-Ed about CRT in schools that thinks white children should feel guilty about the past.

To quote...

Also this — white children and adults should absolutely feel bad about the past atrocities committed by white Americans. They should feel guilty. They should cringe at what their ancestors did.

And just in case you thought it's just one guy's opinion...

White Villa Duchesne student and parents accuse school of discrimination

An example of a white girl being shamed for being white in school.

I think it's rather obvious that CRT is about promoting racist stereotypes about white people and others and then tying those racist beliefs to political activism. It's about as disgusting and low as I've ever seen a political party get. None of this garbage is promoted by the political right, it's entirely coming from the political left.

The use of child level analysis of racial disparities to justify real racism and discrimination is disgusting. If you had told me in 2010 that the party that fought against these things mere decades ago was going to be promoting them in 2020+ I would have laughed. Sadly, this is just an sample of the many examples of this behavior one can find. I could easily fill this forum with threads on corporations like AT&T and Coca Cola telling employees to be less white, employees fired over being white, and children shamed for being white.

It's not that racist discrimination doesn't happen, or that non-white children don't experience racism at school. I'm sure it happens and I'm always against it.

The problem is that these racist beliefs and attacks are part of the curriculum, part of the corporate agenda, part of the far left party views. They aren't simply fringe elements anymore, they are mainstream. For one last example...

Rutgers professor calls white people 'villains'

Consider for a moment what would happen if a white professor said those things about black people. Would they keep their job? No. Would they be able to find a new job? Not in teaching.

Yet this disgusting racism gets a pass from the left because it's part of their political views.

Thoughts?

Black people are nearly 15% of the population, but committed 50% of the murders. Some people stereotype blacks as evil, not whites.
Table 43

hedrick · Oct 30, 2021

dqhall said:
Black people are nearly 15% of the population, but committed 50% of the murders. Some people stereotype blacks as evil, not whites.
Table 43

Just because one kind of injustice occurs, the opposite kind isn’t ruled out. We can have widespread prejudice against all kinds of people, and unjust acts against them. Discrimination against a white person doesn’t mean there isn’t still discrimination against minorities. Both should be dealt with.

essentialsaltes · Oct 30, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
How else does one prove that claim?

Evidence for widespread systemic racism.

dqhall · Oct 30, 2021

hedrick said:
Just because one kind of injustice occurs, the opposite kind isn’t ruled out. We can have widespread prejudice against all kinds of people, and unjust acts against them. Discrimination against a white person doesn’t mean there isn’t still discrimination against minorities. Both should be dealt with.

The Villages 55+ retirement community near Ocala, Florida has a population of almost 80,000. According to Wikipedia it is 98% White.

Fort Myers in SW Florida is more diverse: “The largest Fort Myers racial/ethnic groups are White (47.5%) followed by Hispanic (23.6%) and Black (21.8%).
Fort Myers Demographics - Get Current Census Data for Fort Myers, FL

Ana the Ist · Oct 30, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Evidence for widespread systemic racism.

Is there a specific post on that thread you want to address?

Or are you under the impression the thread is evidence ?

Valletta · Oct 30, 2021

bekkilyn said:
What I also don't understand is why so many are just going along with the insanity, especially once they know it's going on. I've actually been hearing more black people ranting about it lately than white people. Is it perhaps because many black people know how harmful it is except for so many white, woke "virtue signalers" have latched onto it and just make the whole thing worse?

It's new packaging, people fall for the words--progressive, equity. etc. Marxism eventually harms everyone except the privileged elite.

MrMoe · Oct 31, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Rutgers professor calls white people 'villains'

Professors Say The Darndest Things, Episode #10,000.

Thoughts?

"Look, I think white people are committed to being villains in the aggregate, right."

"And that's the thing that white people don't trust us to do, because they are so corrupt, you know their thinking is so morally and spiritually bankrupt about power..."

"The thing I wanna say to you is, we got to take these m-f-ers out."

Now imagine a white professor making such sweeping generalizations about black people.
They would be called racist and be fired or asked to step down before they even realized what was going on.

I think that anti-racism is pretty much a cult at this point.

Just like a cult, there are the leaders and there are the followers.

Just like a cult, any bad behavior from it's leaders is turned a blind eye to, downplayed or even defended. Just like this black woman's obviously racist comments would not be tolerated among the anti-racist cult if it was a white male professor making such generalization towards black people.

Just like a cult, there is a strong animosity toward those not inside the cult.

Just like a cult, they have creepy chants. Diversity, Inclusion and Equity (D.I.E.)

Just like a cult, phrases or words are ignorantly or knowingly misinterpreted and/or redefined. For example the word racist now has a very broad meaning.

Just like a cult, there is constant infighting and members accusing others of not being "pure" enough, i.e. not being anti-racist enough.

I realize several of these can also apply to religion, like professor John McWhorter calls it.

But I would call it a cult because cults are more about praising and venerating it's leaders rather than a higher power, and cults are considered on the fringe of society and not widely accepted. I'd like to think the vast majority of the population do not accept this type of thinking.

MehGuy · Oct 31, 2021

Personally I have little problem teaching CRT in schools as long as the 'C' part of 'CRT' is actually about being critical. Does it promote adult conversations about why some races on average perform more poorly socioeconomically (often globally) compared to other races? Or is it more about shedding all accountability from minorities and just blaming whitey? Lol.

Given many of the people defending CRT rather than wanting to cancel it.. I think it's understandable to be very wary of CRT.. lol.

Racism and bias should be rooted out as much as possible, but that doesn't mean other factors cannot come into play. To say otherwise is just being closed minded.

MehGuy · Oct 31, 2021

MrMoe said:
"Look, I think white people are committed to being villains in the aggregate, right."

"And that's the thing that white people don't trust us to do, because they are so corrupt, you know their thinking is so morally and spiritually bankrupt about power..."

When I went to a mostly black program a few years ago.. I heard this garbage daily.

"White people are genetically programmed to be more violent." "you see you guys evolved in the cold where it was every man for himself." One even said to me.. "I'm not saying this out of anger.. you cannot help how you are." Even the nice people there who would not say this stuff themselves often nodded in agreement.

I easily thought of a response like "hmm.. wouldn't a harsher and colder climate instead more strongly select for cooperation?" Not that I take such an idea very seriously, but it's pretty taxing having to hear extremely childish takes on world history and the history of evolution between the races without ever feeling comfortable airing some kind of rebuttal in self defense.

And it's always "we need to start having a conversation".. even after they've been beating their thoughts in your head for a while now.. and the "conversation" is always one sided. Just shut up white man, and take on all the accountability and if you do speak you should be shouting to the hills about how you're too weak and fragile to fully open your eyes to the horrors of what you're race has done. Lol..

bekkilyn · Oct 31, 2021

MehGuy said:
Personally I have little problem teaching CRT in schools as long as the 'C' part of 'CRT' is actually about being critical. Does it promote adult conversations about why some races on average perform more poorly socioeconomically (often globally) compared to other races? Or is it more about shedding all accountability from minorities and just blaming whitey? Lol.

Given many of the people defending CRT rather than wanting to cancel it.. I think it's understandable to be very wary of CRT.. lol.

Racism and bias should be rooted out as much as possible, but that doesn't mean other factors cannot come into play. To say otherwise is just being closed minded.

Many teachers in general probably aren't very qualified to teach CRT in an academic, critical fashion because it seems like in order to teach it honestly, you would need to study the original writings and why they were written, what issues they are attempting to solve if any (rather than just being a source of discussion), etc. I'm getting the impression that a large part of the CRT problem isn't whether or not its taught, but that it's not only being taught incorrectly due to the ignorance of the teachers who either don't know or misunderstand it themselves, and perhaps attempting to implement in ways that were never originally intended. Maybe it was never intended to be implemented but rather was to remain on an academic philosophical level rather than what may be all the worst parts being ignorantly indoctrinated in the schools.

Or of course I could be way off base and it's just terrible all around. I have thought about looking into its history a bit more but have been caught up in other things.

rambot · Oct 31, 2021

I think what needs to happen is that a full rich history that clearly shows how terrible white people have been to minority groups. Don't hold any punches; tell the whole story.

Just telling the full story would likely do a lot to invoke the feeling that "things should be different".

But it also seems that folks also don't want the terrible side of their history to be taught in a meaningful way.

Valletta · Oct 31, 2021

bekkilyn said:
Many teachers in general probably aren't very qualified to teach CRT in an academic, critical fashion because it seems like in order to teach it honestly, you would need to study the original writings and why they were written, what issues they are attempting to solve if any (rather than just being a source of discussion), etc. I'm getting the impression that a large part of the CRT problem isn't whether or not its taught, but that it's not only being taught incorrectly due to the ignorance of the teachers who either don't know or misunderstand it themselves, and perhaps attempting to implement in ways that were never originally intended. Maybe it was never intended to be implemented but rather was to remain on an academic philosophical level rather than what may be all the worst parts being ignorantly indoctrinated in the schools.

Or of course I could be way off base and it's just terrible all around. I have thought about looking into its history a bit more but have been caught up in other things.

Critical race theory was derived from the Marxist "Critical theory." Critical theory spreads class warfare, critical race theory is a subset of critical theory, specifically using race to put people against people. The objection is that teachers should not be teaching children a racist ideology at all , not whether they are qualified to do so.

Ana the Ist · Oct 31, 2021

rambot said:
I think what needs to happen is that a full rich history that clearly shows how terrible white people have been to minority groups. Don't hold any punches; tell the whole story.

The whole story would include all the good things things those "white people" did for minority groups as well as all the horrible things those minorities did.

You don't really want a full telling of history....you want an extremely biased form of it.

Ana the Ist · Oct 31, 2021

bekkilyn said:
Many teachers in general probably aren't very qualified to teach CRT in an academic, critical fashion because it seems like in order to teach it honestly, you would need to study the original writings and why they were written, what issues they are attempting to solve if any (rather than just being a source of discussion), etc. I'm getting the impression that a large part of the CRT problem isn't whether or not its taught, but that it's not only being taught incorrectly due to the ignorance of the teachers who either don't know or misunderstand it themselves, and perhaps attempting to implement in ways that were never originally intended. Maybe it was never intended to be implemented but rather was to remain on an academic philosophical level rather than what may be all the worst parts being ignorantly indoctrinated in the schools.

Or of course I could be way off base and it's just terrible all around. I have thought about looking into its history a bit more but have been caught up in other things.

You're being gas lighted. These teachers are flat out lying.

They are teaching CRT and they know it.

From Richard Delgado (one of the original CRT theorists) in Critical Race Theory an introduction...

Although CRT began as a movement in the law, it has rapidly spread beyond that discipline. Today, many in the field of education consider themselves critical race theorists who use CRT’s ideas to understand issues of school disci- pline and hierarchy, tracking, controversies over curriculum and history, and IQ and achievement testing.

The goal of CRT isn't to eliminate racism it's to tear down "power structures" and rebuild them with CRT theorists in power. It's anti-capitalist pro-communist (which is why they point out disparities and pursue "equity of outcomes" in everything).

Now, I'm sure there's people too ignorant to know what they're promoting (and you can see them on this forum) and they are the "useful idiots" of this movement.

bekkilyn · Oct 31, 2021

Valletta said:
Critical race theory was derived from the Marxist "Critical theory." Critical theory spreads class warfare, critical race theory is a subset of critical theory, specifically using race to put people against people. The objection is that teachers should not be teaching children a racist ideology at all , not whether they are qualified to do so.

Oh I meant teaching it in a more academic sense like a teacher would teach Marxism or some other philosophy. Not in the current sense of something that students would be required to practice.

bekkilyn · Oct 31, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
You're being gas lighted. These teachers are flat out lying.

They are teaching CRT and they know it.

From Richard Delgado (one of the original CRT theorists) in Critical Race Theory an introduction...

Although CRT began as a movement in the law, it has rapidly spread beyond that discipline. Today, many in the field of education consider themselves critical race theorists who use CRT’s ideas to understand issues of school disci- pline and hierarchy, tracking, controversies over curriculum and history, and IQ and achievement testing.

The goal of CRT isn't to eliminate racism it's to tear down "power structures" and rebuild them with CRT theorists in power. It's anti-capitalist pro-communist (which is why they point out disparities and pursue "equity of outcomes" in everything).

Now, I'm sure there's people too ignorant to know what they're promoting (and you can see them on this forum) and they are the "useful idiots" of this movement.

That's been my experience with it thus far though I do like to give some benefit of doubt especially for the sake of discussion. I've been questioning a lot of assumptions lately because I get to thinking well if I've been lied about this one thing what other things have I been lied to about?

Ana the Ist · Oct 31, 2021

bekkilyn said:
That's been my experience with it thus far though I do like to give some benefit of doubt especially for the sake of discussion. I've been questioning a lot of assumptions lately because I get to thinking well if I've been lied about this one thing what other things have I been lied to about?

When you consider that media sources like CNN and NYT have been defending the idea that "this is an advanced law school discipline" that isn't taught in grade school is contradicted by one of the heads of CRT (Delgado) on the very second page of his book about CRT...

You're either being lied to or the people reporting on this are idiots. As Delgado put it 20 years ago....it rapidly spread into education.

rambot · Oct 31, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
The whole story would include all the good things things those "white people" did for minority groups as well as all the horrible things those minorities did.

You don't really want a full telling of history....you want an extremely biased form of it.

Yaaaawn. Sure. All the travesties that minorities perpetuated on the oppressed white people in the United States.

SilverBear · Oct 31, 2021

bekkilyn said:
I've been continuing to look into CRT and have heard an explanation that "whiteness" are the various systems that have been put in place by the white European males that came to America. The entire system of American government, Democracy, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution...basically everything that makes up America as America is "whiteness". Basically American IS whiteness. You can replace the word "white" with "American" and it would be the same. It's why black people and other people of color who support American ideals and American government and American institutions are considered "race traitors" or "too white" and why white people are being told that they need to be "less white". (Less American?)

CRT doesn't seem to have as much to do with prejudice or discrimination based on skin color, but rather with being anti-American in general. It isn't at all what Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement was fighting for and seems to be opposed in various ways to the ideals of the civil rights movement.

can you reference any of these claims?

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