Crop Circles

Albion · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
I'll admit that most of them were hoaxes.

Most of them.

But what about some that have electromagnetic anomalies accompanying them?

You're right. There is no way to explain them.

Yes, there were a few hoaxes, and mostly those concerned rather simple designs, but aside from them, there have been many crop circles for which there just is no explanation.

You said you lean towards angels. I don't know why angels would be making crop circles that no one understands, but that is one possibility. If so, it's a guess. That's we can do at this point--guess--and the guesses are potentially endless.

Occams Barber · Aug 24, 2020

Albion said:
Yes, there were a few hoaxes, and mostly those concerned rather simple designs, but aside from them, there have been many crop circles for which there just is no explanation.

Are you seriously telling all the readers here that you have extensive expertise in crop circles? Are you saying that we should accept your unadorned assurance that many crop circles are so complex that they are beyond the limits of human ingenuity?

I don't think so.

OB

Occams Barber · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
$64,000 dollar question: Do you think those 'bright boys who put the con in concentric' represent 100% of those who manufacture crop circles?

Of course not. I'm sure there are or were (is it still popular?) any number of people playing at this.

Accepting that there may be other circle makers doesn't require a leap to fallen angels or aliens.
OB

Albion · Aug 24, 2020

Occams Barber said:
Are you seriously telling all the readers here....

Yes, I said that there is, to date, no explanation for the crop circles. No answer has been found by science or in any other way, save only for the few examples that have been found to have been hoaxes.

There are only guesses.

AV1611VET · Aug 24, 2020

Hans Blaster said:
Did they use E-meters to detect them?

I'm sure they applied the appropriate scientific knowledge and equipment in their investigations.

Albion · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
I'm sure they applied the appropriate scientific knowledge and equipment in their investigations.

Of course. These things have been studied every which way.

AV1611VET · Aug 24, 2020

Occams Barber said:
Of course not. I'm sure there are or were (is it still popular?) any number of people playing at this.

Accepting that there may be other circle makers doesn't require a leap to fallen angels or aliens.
OB

Don't you think that's a "one size fits all" explanation?

Humans admit to doing theirs, so all circles are done by humans ... right?

Hans Blaster · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
I'm sure they applied the appropriate scientific knowledge and equipment in their investigations.

I find that unlikely. The "circle investigators" tend to be paranormal investigators, not scientists.

(FYI, the E-meter is the overly sensitive electromagnetic detector that Scientology uses to scam people with the "responses".)

Hans Blaster · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Don't you think that's a "one size fits all" explanation?

Humans admit to doing theirs, so all circles are done by humans ... right?

The circles are all consistent with human construction, even if you can't quite figure out how they worked out the geometry of the design in the dark.

It's important to recall that most of the crop designs occur in fields where the farmer has not authorized them and are therefore vandalism and property destruction.

Occams Barber · Aug 24, 2020

Albion said:
Yes, I said that there is, to date, no explanation for the crop circles. No answer has been found by science or in any other way, save only for the few examples that have been found to have been hoaxes.

There are only guesses.

The explanation for crop circles is human construction.

Do you believe that there are circles which could not have been created by human ingenuity?

If so, please provide examples along with your rationale for believing this.

OB

Albion · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
I'll admit that most of them were hoaxes.

Why? If no one can explain how humans did most of them, why would you conclude that "most" can be explained away as hoaxes?

AV1611VET · Aug 24, 2020

Hans Blaster said:
I find that unlikely. The "circle investigators" tend to be paranormal investigators, not scientists.

Emphasis on "tend to be"?

Crop circles have been described as all falling "within the range of the sort of thing done in hoaxes" by Taner Edis, professor of physics at Truman State University.

SOURCE

Looks like they get investigated by scientists as well.

SkyWriting · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
In your opinion, does every single crop circle have a perp that owned up to it?

Most do not have linked vandals. But enough people have admitted to creating them to cover the rest.

AV1611VET · Aug 24, 2020

Hans Blaster said:
The circles are all consistent with human construction,

What would angelic construction look like?

AV1611VET · Aug 24, 2020

Albion said:
Why? If no one can explain how humans did most of them, why would you conclude that "most" can be explained away as hoaxes?

Well I haven't read up on them as much as you probably have.

If you say most of them haven't been explained, I'm cool with that.

AV1611VET · Aug 24, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Most do not have linked vandals. But enough people have admitted to creating them to cover the rest.

That sounds a little assumptive of them to me.

Albion · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Well I haven't read up on them as much as you probably have.

If you say most of them haven't been explained, I'm cool with that.

It may be only a small point, but it's not the case that a few remain unexplained. If that were the case, then we'd probably conclude that most were genuine and we just had yet to figure out the remaining ones.

But it's only the older and simpler ones that have been explained away, and the newer and more complicated ones are nothing like them. The two farmers with a board, by the way, did their work before science got much into the study of crop circles. What they did with a board is so rudimentary that most of us could replicate it. Not so the crop circles that appeared later.

Albion · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
That sounds a little assumptive of them to me.

It's also impossible. For one thing, nobody knows how the more complicated circles can have been created overnight simply because of the time that would be needed, regardless of which tools might have been used. How the equipment and/or personnel got into the design area and left from it when the project was done, leaving no trace in the rest of the crops or elsewhere, remains a mystery. And cameras have filmed some of these fields continuously and seen the circles appear, yet no human or anything else that might explain the origin, coming from the sky or anywhere else, appears on the videos.

SkyWriting · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Well I haven't read up on them as much as you probably have.

If you say most of them haven't been explained, I'm cool with that.

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SkyWriting · Aug 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
That sounds a little assumptive of them to me.

It is. By counting the number of cars in my driveway, I assume that the number and size of alien space ships are smaller than my Ford Focus, or it would be seen from space.

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