Criteria for determining design

[ChetSinger]

I am asking you to provide evidence for the history you are claiming to accept. Where is your evidence that life has always had DNA, or has always needed DNA repair mechanisms?

I think the shoe's on the other foot this time: now I'm the skeptic. And I imagine that might feel odd for you, because you're accustomed to challenging Christians.

I'm being told that once, long ago, life was very different. Well, where's the evidence? Where is the map that gets from "what was" to "what exists"? How did DNA repair mechanisms, DNA unwinding mechanisms, DNA transcribing mechanisms, etc. come into existence when they're dependent on the very DNA they're operating on?

I'm about done with this thread. I've asked the same question many times over and the responses I've gotten haven't answered anything. But that's to be expected, because all of us participating in this thread know that there are no answers. I don't know why you guys don't just admit it. Is it because this is a crevo forum and no one feels they can concede anything? I wonder. Once outside crevo forums there's no shortage of well-educated non-Christians who admit they don't have these answers.

 

[Loudmouth]

I'm being told that once, long ago, life was very different.

You are claiming that it was the same. Where is your evidence?

If you can't support your claim that all life has always needed DNA repair mechanisms, then your argument falls apart.

 

[dad]

You are claiming that it was the same. Where is your evidence?

You are claiming what, then..different?

If you can't support your claim that all life has always needed DNA repair mechanisms, then your argument falls apart.

If you can't support that DNA was the same all your claims for ancient man and life based on DNA withers and dies.

 

[Loudmouth]

You are claiming what, then..different?

Where is your evidence that life has always been the same?

If you can't support that DNA was the same all your claims for ancient man and life based on DNA withers and dies.

Huh?

 

[PsychoSarah]

I think the shoe's on the other foot this time: now I'm the skeptic. And I imagine that might feel odd for you, because you're accustomed to challenging Christians.

I'm being told that once, long ago, life was very different. Well, where's the evidence? Where is the map that gets from "what was" to "what exists"? How did DNA repair mechanisms, DNA unwinding mechanisms, DNA transcribing mechanisms, etc. come into existence when they're dependent on the very DNA they're operating on?

I'm about done with this thread. I've asked the same question many times over and the responses I've gotten haven't answered anything. But that's to be expected, because all of us participating in this thread know that there are no answers. I don't know why you guys don't just admit it. Is it because this is a crevo forum and no one feels they can concede anything? I wonder. Once outside crevo forums there's no shortage of well-educated non-Christians who admit they don't have these answers.

DNA fragments don't fossilize in a way that we can accurately identify them, as far as I am aware. We have ideas, but as of yet, we can't exactly watch it happen. We have possibilities, but we could never at the moment say which one precisely is how DNA as we know it came to exist. Not everything is known, but that isn't an excuse to try to implicate a deity for which there is no evidence at all. We don't know, we might never know, and admitting that we don't know for sure is perfectly acceptable and doesn't make an opposing position that lacks evidence any more likely.

But when you ask us, we usually will present you with the most likely possibilities. There is evidence for what we say, but not enough to be conclusive. In regards to deities, there is no evidence at all.

 

[dad]

Where is your evidence that life has always been the same?

Forget evidence. You have none from science either way. Why bring evidence into it?

Huh?

DNA may not have been the same as now in Noah's day. One cannot assume it was for no reason.

 

[dad]

DNA fragments don't fossilize in a way that we can accurately identify them, as far as I am aware. We have ideas, but as of yet, we can't exactly watch it happen. We have possibilities, but we could never at the moment say which one precisely is how DNA as we know it came to exist. Not everything is known, but that isn't an excuse to try to implicate a deity for which there is no evidence at all. We don't know, we might never know, and admitting that we don't know for sure is perfectly acceptable and doesn't make an opposing position that lacks evidence any more likely.

But when you ask us, we usually will present you with the most likely possibilities. There is evidence for what we say, but not enough to be conclusive. In regards to deities, there is no evidence at all.

Your admitted NOT knowing is no reason to diss creation and invoke a first lifeform either.

 

[Loudmouth]

Forget evidence. You have none from science either way. Why bring evidence into it?

I have fossils showing that life has changed over time. What do you have?

 

[dad]

I have fossils showing that life has changed over time. What do you have?

Of course critters change over time. God equipped us with the ability to do that. Don't mind if I steal your thunder.

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course critters change over time. God equipped us with the ability to do that. Don't mind if I steal your thunder.

Yet another claim you have zero evidence for.

 

[dad]

Yet another claim you have zero evidence for.

You just said life changed over time, and now you claim animals or man did not change? You ain't deep you just ain't clear.

 

[Loudmouth]

You just said life changed over time, and now you claim animals or man did not change? You ain't deep you just ain't clear.

Where is your evidence that God did anything to any species? I am not looking for stories in books. I am asking for real evidence.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Your admitted NOT knowing is no reason to diss creation and invoke a first lifeform either.

We have evidence for a first lifeform. We have none for a deity creating life on earth or anything else.

 

[dad]

We have evidence for a first lifeform.

Oh? Where is this evidence hiding?

We have none for a deity creating life on earth or anything else.

Jesus said He was the Resurrection and the life and proceeded to raise Lazarus from the dead. Himself a bit over a week later also.

 

[Loudmouth]

Oh? Where is this evidence hiding?
Jesus said He was the Resurrection and the life and proceeded to raise Lazarus from the dead. Himself a bit over a week later also.

The men who wrote the Bible said that.

 

[dad]

Where is your evidence that God did anything to any species?

Science has none that He did or did not! The bible indicates that species were different. They communicated with man for example like talking almost. Top that!

I am not looking for stories in books. I am asking for real evidence.

There is no evidence from science so unless you look at the book God gave us, you can have no light.

 

[Loudmouth]

Science has none that He did or did not! The bible indicates . . .

I asked for evidence, not stories in books.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Oh? Where is this evidence hiding?
Jesus said He was the Resurrection and the life and proceeded to raise Lazarus from the dead. Himself a bit over a week later also.

-_- it isn't hiding anywhere. At one point no life existed. Now life exists. There must have been a first lifeform on earth.

As claimed in the unreliable ancient text written decades after the supposed events, based on flawed witness accounts with an unknown degree of detail that is pure fiction.

 

[dad]

-_- it isn't hiding anywhere. At one point no life existed. Now life exists. There must have been a first lifeform on earth.

No. Creation saw many lifeforms at once. In no way is there evidence for one first lifeform from which all came.

As claimed in the unreliable ancient text written decades after the supposed events, based on flawed witness accounts with an unknown degree of detail that is pure fiction.

No. Based on God's proven word.

 

[dad]

I asked for evidence, not stories in books.

No such thing outside of God word. Science has nothing or you would post it. Don't try to mask your perfidy with insults to books.