Creations.

[paulm50]

Genesis 1 is definitely not written by human.

Do you have the original stone tablets engraved by god containing Genesis 1?

These are what the Bible tells us not to do.

It tells you to execute those who do these things.

The Bible does not tell us to do anything which is prohibited by our laws.

It tell you not to do anything, so it does tell you what not to do.

So maybe you should look further about what it tells you to do.
I am the Lord thy God
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
Honour thy father and thy mother
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Stand up in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the LORD
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord
A wife must not separate from her husband.
Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.

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[asherahSamaria]

The Bible gives the first hand information directly from God to His faithful people.
What's said in the Bible is not from human, but is from God.

If it were from human, I won't read it. I probably can write a better one. The key is that we (all humans) can not write any theology better than what the Bible gives us. We have a very good example of a failed attempt: the Islam.

Actually I could write a better book than the Bible very easily. Just copy it out and remove all the references that indicate that it was ever fine to own other people as property. Hey presto - a better book.

 

[juvenissun]

What leads you to that conclusion?

Are similar creation myths from other religions also not written by human beings?

eudaimonia,

Mark

No. Only the Genesis in the Bible is God's direct message.
My reasons are logic and scientific.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I love the South Park episode where the factions of atheism in the future have wars over what colour hat to wear, its so true that humans will fight wars over any excuse. Of course atheists love to forget that the atheist regimes of the 20th century were more bloody than any religious war has been.

This is a common misconception.

I don't think there is a single thinking atheist out there who would argue that communists haven't done horrible things.

The point however that you are missing, is that there isn't a logical pathway from "i don't believe in gods" to "therefor, i'm going to kill a bunch of people".

Fundamentalist Communism is what was wrong with Soviet Russia and what is wrong with North Korea.

There IS a logical pathway from any fundamentalist doctrine (be it theism, communism, capitalism, etc) towards violence.

Atheism is not a doctrine. Atheism is a single position on a single issue.
That Stalin was an atheist is about as relevant to his actions as the fact that he had a moustache.

His motivations didn't come from not believing a certain specific claim.
His motivations came from the specific political doctrines he adhered to.
Just like the motivations of ISIS come from the specific religious doctrines they adhere to.

Atheism has no doctrines whatsoever.

 

[juvenissun]

Do you have the original stone tablets engraved by god containing Genesis 1?
It tells you to execute those who do these things.
It tell you not to do anything, so it does tell you what not to do.

So maybe you should look further about what it tells you to do.
I am the Lord thy God
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
Honour thy father and thy mother
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Stand up in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the LORD
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord
A wife must not separate from her husband.
Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches.

I

I do not know what is your point. I don't see anything wrong with what the Bible says in terms of to do or not to do.

The Bible tells you do something and not to do something. But if one does the opposite, then that person sins. So what?

 

[juvenissun]

Actually I could write a better book than the Bible very easily. Just copy it out and remove all the references that indicate that it was ever fine to own other people as property. Hey presto - a better book.

Muhammad did that and more than that. And you have Islam.
Today, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are doing the similar.
Many other minor cults have also done that.

Do you say you like to joint the crowd?

Not good.

 

[DamianWarS]

Are you implying your insurance policy is better than the rest that religions have been selling us from the dawn of time?

I am inferring that your not looking for truth.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Hmm, most of those examples aren't real people, they are gods. One thing we can be sure about was that Jesus was a real person.

How can we be sure about that?

 

[paulm50]

No. Only the Genesis in the Bible is God's direct message.
My reasons are logic and scientific.

Can you explain this to us please. Using logic and science.

 

[paulm50]

I do not know what is your point. I don't see anything wrong with what the Bible says in terms of to do or not to do.

The Bible tells you do something and not to do something. But if one does the opposite, then that person sins. So what?

If Genesis was written by god, you would have to have proof of that. There's proof it was written by men who had no clue about how the world evolved.

You also asked for proof of the bible telling you what to do. I gave it.

Muhammad did that and more than that. And you have Islam.
Today, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are doing the similar.
Many other minor cults have also done that.

Do you see how easy it is to write a book and get people to believe it?

I am inferring that your not searching.

Searching for what? The mythical waterfall on a mythical river, while sitting on an imaginary raft?

Give me something to search for that's real.

 

[paulm50]

The point however that you are missing, is that there isn't a logical pathway from "i don't believe in gods" to "therefor, i'm going to kill a bunch of people".

There's a logical path from "I believe in god" to "therefore I'm going to kill people who don't believe or disagree with my version of him."

Either that or there's been a lot of very illogical people killing others.

 

[paulm50]

How can we be sure about that?

The debate isn't about Jesus as a real person. It's more important to debate was he the son of god and here to save us all?

 

[Loudmouth]

The debate isn't about Jesus as a real person. It's more important to debate was he the son of god and here to save us all?

Quite right. We can show that Haile Selassie was a real person. That doesn't mean that he was the second coming of the Christ as Rastafarians claim.

 

[juvenissun]

Can you explain this to us please. Using logic and science.

What said in Genesis 1 is ACCURATE according to modern science.

 

[juvenissun]

Do you see how easy it is to write a book and get people to believe it?

Yes. But there are only a few major religions. It is not easy at all.

 

[Holoman]

This is a common misconception.

I don't think there is a single thinking atheist out there who would argue that communists haven't done horrible things.

The point however that you are missing, is that there isn't a logical pathway from "i don't believe in gods" to "therefor, i'm going to kill a bunch of people".

Fundamentalist Communism is what was wrong with Soviet Russia and what is wrong with North Korea.

There IS a logical pathway from any fundamentalist doctrine (be it theism, communism, capitalism, etc) towards violence.

Atheism is not a doctrine. Atheism is a single position on a single issue.
That Stalin was an atheist is about as relevant to his actions as the fact that he had a moustache.

His motivations didn't come from not believing a certain specific claim.
His motivations came from the specific political doctrines he adhered to.
Just like the motivations of ISIS come from the specific religious doctrines they adhere to.

Atheism has no doctrines whatsoever.

I could just as easily absolve Christianity of blame for genocide by saying it wasn't Christianity it was fascists. But I wouldn't because its absurd.

To say that Stalin's atheism had no impact on his policies is to ignore a lot of what he did specifically against religion. Anyway this isnt really the topic being discussed

 

[Loudmouth]

What said in Genesis 1 is ACCURATE according to modern science.

Plants did not start growing before there was a Sun.

 

[Loudmouth]

I could just as easily absolve Christianity of blame for genocide by saying it wasn't Christianity it was fascists. But I wouldn't because its absurd.

To say that Stalin's atheism had no impact on his policies is to ignore a lot of what he did specifically against religion. Anyway this isnt really the topic being discussed

Atheism is simply a lack of belief. It doesn't proscribe any actions for or against religions. Being bald doesn't mean that you have to put hairy people in gulags.

 

[Holoman]

Atheism is simply a lack of belief. It doesn't proscribe any actions for or against religions. Being bald doesn't mean that you have to put hairy people in gulags.

It doesn't need to proscribe anything. The Bible didn't incitre the Crusades so by the logic you can't blame Christianity for them..

 

[Loudmouth]

It doesn't need to proscribe anything. The Bible didn't proscribe the Crusades so by the logic you can't blame Christianity for them..

The Old Testament does have examples of God ordering genocide.

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." 1 Samuel 15:2-3

The real danger is when people ignore their own sense of morality in favor of a supposedly divine set of rules in a book supposedly written by a deity. Compare this to Humanism and Secularism which don't ignore morality in favor of obedience to a book.