Creations.

[juvenissun]

Tell this to Joseph Smith, Hubbard, Koresh, Sun Myung Moon, Applewhite, etc. Are all their followers very intelligent?

The older churches had the persuasive power of being burned at the stake, or imprisoned, and compared with today's audience illiterate.

Here's your opportunity to give everyone solid proof god exists, we know religions exist, so having a PH.Don them isn't unusual. Likr Ph.Ds on snowboarding, David Beckham studies, Parapsychology, Philosophy in Ufology, The Phallus, Science of Harry Potter, Star Trek and there are more.

It's possible to construct a theology like the Christianity by human wisdom. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many others.
Now all you have to do is prove this is true. Anyone looking at any religions and seeing how they make women second class. Has to admit the hand of Man. God's don't create first and second class people, nor make the functions of women's body a sin or dirty and the birth of agirl something that warrants extra periods.

I do learn something from you. God's word is really amazing.

 

[paulm50]

Nice rant you have there. Now are we to conclude that all of science should be written off become of all the pseudo-science gobbledygook there is around?

Nice rant you have there. Now are we to conclude that all of science should be written off become of all the pseudo-science gobbledygook there is around?

As soon as you prove science is pseudo-science gobbledygook, it will be written off. Science is only in the business of proof.

 

[paulm50]

I do learn something from you. God's word is really amazing.

Does he talk to you, or are you reliant on the words of men who say they talk to gods?

 

[juvenissun]

Does he talk to you, or are you reliant on the words of men who say they talk to gods?

Just for your info, yes, He talks to me all the time. particularly when I have specific questions.
If you are not in school, you know it is not easy at all to get a useful answer for a particular question.

 

[toLiJC]

The only things created were religions. There are too many, too different, too split to be the work of a god. And seeing as men can create them so easily, it's obvious a god isn't required. All that's essential is a good powerful speaker with a good idea, and a gullible crowd.

Don't believe me? Moonies, Scientology, Mormons, Buddhists, Branch Davidians, Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, Aum Shinrikyo, Children of God, Order of the Solar Temple, People’s Temple, Heaven’s Gate.

Add a Pharaoh, Emperor, or King into the mix. And it gains ground. Some of these fell flat because they didn't have Royal patronage. Imagine their power if they had of had that.

Of course to the believers, I don't mean your branch of your religion, it's only the others that are wrong.

there is also a right faith, not every faith is wrong

Blessings

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Oh this old nonsensical argument.

Two men see a car drive down the road, one says its blue, the other insists it was red. Therefore no car drove down the road. Logical yes?

Until I see either a red or blue car, there's no sense in believing either one to be there. Especially when you look and see an empty road that leads to nowhere.

 

[paulm50]

Just for your info, yes, He talks to me all the time. particularly when I have specific questions.
If you are not in school, you know it is not easy at all to get a useful answer for a particular question.

Ask him why he allows so many different religions so the religious continues killing each other over who worships god the right way.

 

[paulm50]

there is also a right faith, not every faith is wrong

Blessings

Why is it always the one with the best armies? juvenissun will be able to answer this one soon.

 

[paulm50]

Two men see a car drive down the road, one says its pale blue, the other insists it was light blue. So they proceed to kill each other, over who is right.

 

[toLiJC]

Why is it always the one with the best armies? juvenissun will be able to answer this one soon.

every (popular enough) religion/denomination/sect may boast about itself, but who's really righteous and sinless virtually might be another question

Blessings

 

[juvenissun]

Ask him why he allows so many different religions so the religious continues killing each other over who worships god the right way.

Do you really need to bother God for the answer?

Think, there are many wars, major wars, that are not caused by religious conflict. So, the reason of war may not related to religion. The war between Christian and Muslim existed before Islam is established as a religion.

 

[juvenissun]

Why is it always the one with the best armies? juvenissun will be able to answer this one soon.

Do you mean Christian nations have the best army?

The richest person in the world may not be a Christian. But it could be a Christian. What is wrong with that? Historically, strongest dynasties of the world seldom to be Christian in faith. There were a few. But, so what?

 

[Holoman]

Do you really need to bother God for the answer?

Think, there are many wars, major wars, that are not caused by religious conflict. So, the reason of war may not related to religion. The war between Christian and Muslim existed before Islam is established as a religion.

I love the South Park episode where the factions of atheism in the future have wars over what colour hat to wear, its so true that humans will fight wars over any excuse. Of course atheists love to forget that the atheist regimes of the 20th century were more bloody than any religious war has been.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It is not easy at all to develop a sound theology. In fact, it is very difficult. I believe you are a smart person. If you tried to figure out a new theology from scratch, I bet you will will run out of idea in 10 minutes. I am serious. I and one of my smartest friend have tried this before.

It is impossible to construct a theology like the Christianity by human wisdom.

It depends what you mean by 'sound'. To its adherents, a theology will inevitably be sound; to non-believers most, if not all, theologies will be unsound, not least because of the problems of a God concept.

Even without an explicit God, religions & cults often take little more than a charismatic and energetic leader to plagiarise a few ideas and focus on a few gullible acolytes, and a congregation can build up surprisingly rapidly, even when the belief system is ludicrous to outsiders. L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology is a notable modern example, but there are many others.

It's almost as if people have an innate propensity to believe these things...

 

[juvenissun]

It depends what you mean by 'sound'. To its adherents, a theology will inevitably be sound; to non-believers most, if not all, theologies will be unsound, not least because of the problems of a God concept.

Even without an explicit God, religions & cults often take little more than a charismatic and energetic leader to plagiarise a few ideas and focus on a few gullible acolytes, and a congregation can build up surprisingly rapidly, even when the belief system is ludicrous to outsiders. L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology is a notable modern example, but there are many others.

It's almost as if people have an innate propensity to believe these things...

An atheist still can develop a logically sound theology, even the quality could be very poor. The only thing needed is an assumption of a god. Then he can assign properties to that god. And then other parts of theology could be added to it. It is an interesting game of brainstorm. The more one plays it, the more one can appreciate the depth of an established religion.

It may all start with this: If there is a god, I like to see the god .... I guarantee, what ever you say, there WILL be a bunch of problems waiting for you.

Yes, you are right about one thing: atheists can not theoretically construct a sound theology, no matter how smart they are. There will ALWAYS be some major unsolvable problems in their draft of theology.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yes, you are right about one thing: atheists can not theoretically construct a sound theology, no matter how smart they are. There will ALWAYS be some major unsolvable problems in their draft of theology.

I don't know where you pulled that from, it's neither my opinion, nor what I said...

You don't need to construct a theology from whole cloth if you plagiarise chunks of others, as I suggested. If the result contains a mass of contradictions or logical absurdities (as most do) you can attribute them to various forms of transcendent mystery beyond understanding or questioning, e.g. 'God Works In Mysterious Ways' (GWIMW), or you call them a test of faith, and so-on. For examples, just look at the major theologies of modern times, let alone ancient ones.

 

[paulm50]

Agree,with so many of them it's odds on not to be yours.

every (popular enough) religion/denomination/sect may boast about itself, but who's really righteous and sinless virtually might be another question

Blessings

 

[paulm50]

Do you really need to bother God for the answer?

Think, there are many wars, major wars, that are not caused by religious conflict. So, the reason of war may not related to religion. The war between Christian and Muslim existed before Islam is established as a religion.

I can see facts don't never bother you. ISIS is killing people today over the difference in the way people believe. Without proof a god exists, it will continue. Blaming atheists for wars is missing the point. The last 2,000 years has been nothing but wars. Your problem in denying the role religion and your religion has to play in wars. Is some were ordained by god andmany blessed by people who also spoke to god.

But nice get out on asking god why he favors death to a quick appearance to resolve the situation.

 

[paulm50]

I love the South Park episode where the factions of atheism in the future have wars over what colour hat to wear, its so true that humans will fight wars over any excuse. Of course atheists love to forget that the atheist regimes of the 20th century were more bloody than any religious war has been.

Agreed the 20th Century has been the worse forwars. Not because of our willingness togo to war, just the technology we have. Imagine 20th Century technology in the 30 year war. And ISIS because one group of Muslims disagree with another group on who has the messenger. And god says nothing.

It depends what you mean by 'sound'. To its adherents, a theology will inevitably be sound; to non-believers most, if not all, theologies will be unsound, not least because of the problems of a God concept.

Even without an explicit God, religions & cults often take little more than a charismatic and energetic leader to plagiarise a few ideas and focus on a few gullible acolytes, and a congregation can build up surprisingly rapidly, even when the belief system is ludicrous to outsiders. L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology is a notable modern example, but there are many others.

It's almost as if people have an innate propensity to believe these things...

If only all the OT and NT were based on sound decisions. Like a man being swallowed by a fish.

 

[juvenissun]

You don't need to construct a theology from whole cloth if you plagiarise chunks of others, as I suggested. If the result contains a mass of contradictions or logical absurdities (as most do) you can attribute them to various forms of transcendent mystery beyond understanding or questioning, e.g. 'God Works In Mysterious Ways' (GWIMW), or you call them a test of faith, and so-on. For examples, just look at the major theologies of modern times, let alone ancient ones.

Well, if you really take a detail look of them, everyone of them make their own sense. They are more complete theology than other minor ones.

Yes, in theology, it is OK to include some miracles and imaginations in it if the theology required them. It is perfectly fine. With this maneuvering allowed, it is still very hard to make a good theology. I encourage you to give a try. Many be it will take you an hour. Then you would know better. You may even share with others if you like what you designed. Who knows you would not become the founder of a popular religion sometime later.

The reason I like the Islam the least because it plagiarized Christianity. Nevertheless, they still made the theology pretty ugly.