Creations.

[juvenissun]

I can see facts don't never bother you. ISIS is killing people today over the difference in the way people believe. Without proof a god exists, it will continue. Blaming atheists for wars is missing the point. The last 2,000 years has been nothing but wars. Your problem in denying the role religion and your religion has to play in wars. Is some were ordained by god andmany blessed by people who also spoke to god.

But nice get out on asking god why he favors death to a quick appearance to resolve the situation.

Do we fight ISIS because of their religion? Or does ISIS fight us because of our religion?
You know the answers are no.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

...With this maneuvering allowed, it is still very hard to make a good theology. I encourage you to give a try. Many be it will take you an hour. Then you would know better. You may even share with others if you like what you designed. Who knows you would not become the founder of a popular religion sometime later.

I had no idea it could be done in an hour; I was thinking in terms of years...

 

[paulm50]

Well, if you really take a detail look of them, everyone of them make their own sense. They are more complete theology than other minor ones.

Yes, in theology, it is OK to include some miracles and imaginations in it if the theology required them. It is perfectly fine. With this maneuvering allowed, it is still very hard to make a good theology. I encourage you to give a try. Many be it will take you an hour. Then you would know better. You may even share with others if you like what you designed. Who knows you would not become the founder of a popular religion sometime later.

The reason I like the Islam the least because it plagiarized Christianity. Nevertheless, they still made the theology pretty ugly.

So you agree religions can be man made. Give Scientology 2,000 years and it will become more complete.

Your problem is proving the bible was inspired by god, we know it was written by Man, god can't write.

 

[paulm50]

Do we fight ISIS because of their religion? Or does ISIS fight us because of our religion?
You know the answers are no.

So ISIS is fighting in the Middle East, killing Muslims because of Christianity.

You need to more research.

 

[Holoman]

I can see facts don't never bother you. ISIS is killing people today over the difference in the way people believe. Without proof a god exists, it will continue. Blaming atheists for wars is missing the point. The last 2,000 years has been nothing but wars. Your problem in denying the role religion and your religion has to play in wars. Is some were ordained by god andmany blessed by people who also spoke to god.

But nice get out on asking god why he favors death to a quick appearance to resolve the situation.

Religion has definitely played its part in lots of wars, but I'm not so sure that members of ISIS would be upstanding citizens if there was no religion.

As to the question of why God doesn't stop it, well that is just the age old question of why God allows evil and suffering in the world. Probably the most difficult question for a theist to answer, and the only explanation that has a ring of truth imo is the free will of man is deemed more important than being spared suffering. I'm not sure man can truly have free will if angels come crashing down from heaven to stop people killing each other or forming their own opinion on how God wants them to live their life. If lightning bolts came down and executed all of ISIS tomorrow, do you honestly feel that you personally would have a free choice of whether to accept God or not? Or would you more likely be tempted to start worshipping God for fear of his wrath?

 

[juvenissun]

So you agree religions can be man made. Give Scientology 2,000 years and it will become more complete.

Your problem is proving the bible was inspired by god, we know it was written by Man, god can't write.

The way to tell if a religion is made by man is to see the theology in a holistic manner. Human wisdom is limited. We may make something beautiful. But we can not make something which is unbelievable yet is beautiful. In order to see the doctrine of Christianity is beyond human wisdom, but those of other religions are not, then you really need to STUDY them. If you do not, then certainly you can not tell.

That is where the most difficult point is. You hesitate to devote your time to ANY of these religions. No work, no gain. You certainly understand this.

 

[dysert]

The only things created were religions.

How do you know this?

 

[toLiJC]

Agree,with so many of them it's odds on not to be yours.

yes, the intimate(inside) sanctity is of great importance

Blessings

 

[juvenissun]

So ISIS is fighting in the Middle East, killing Muslims because of Christianity.

You need to more research.

The fight among Muslims is strange to me. But I am sure they do not kill each other just because the doctrine difference. Something else must be the main reason. Fight for the doctrine correctness is only the banner.

 

[juvenissun]

I had no idea it could be done in an hour; I was thinking in terms of years...

As an exercise, it could.

 

[bhsmte]

How do you know this?

A good clue would be; how many religions there are and how many denominations of Christianity there are.

 

[asherahSamaria]

Religion has definitely played its part in lots of wars, but I'm not so sure that members of ISIS would be upstanding citizens if there was no religion.

As to the question of why God doesn't stop it, well that is just the age old question of why God allows evil and suffering in the world. Probably the most difficult question for a theist to answer, and the only explanation that has a ring of truth imo is the free will of man is deemed more important than being spared suffering. I'm not sure man can truly have free will if angels come crashing down from heaven to stop people killing each other or forming their own opinion on how God wants them to live their life. If lightning bolts came down and executed all of ISIS tomorrow, do you honestly feel that you personally would have a free choice of whether to accept God or not? Or would you more likely be tempted to start worshipping God for fear of his wrath?

This is a good question.

I'm not sure man can truly have free will if angels come crashing down from heaven to stop people killing each other. The "war in heaven" and "Satans fall" stories indicate that it is possible to have first hand evidence of a God's existence and still have free will.

"If lightning bolts came down and executed all of ISIS tomorrow" I'd first look for non supernatural causes

"do you honestly feel that you personally would have a free choice of whether to accept God or not?" Absolutely

"Or would you more likely be tempted to start worshipping God for fear of his wrath?" - This scenario doesn't really fill me with much confidence about the "loving god" part. You'd have to question the nature of a deity that demanded worship with menaces.

 

[pshun2404]

What is responsible for wars is the fruit of the tree (Genesis 3:5). This is the notion that one can be the lord of their own life. That they should be able to decide good and evil for their self. Sort of a god of "self" doing what is right in their own eyes, and this leads to a might makes right philosophy among groups of "self" gods who come to agreement.

One person, or group (like gangs), or one tribe, community or nation (religious or not) who tries to lord it over others is always the cause of conflict. When a husband or wife insists on their own way that is tragic and when both want to be lord of the relationship this leads to discord and divorce...when one political party insists on only its way this leads to deadlock and fighting in a nations capital, when one nation tries to impose its way on another there is no doubt pain and suffering ensue and oh yes war.

So though I could easily demonstrate that ONE atheist like Stalin has systematically eliminated more people (many of his own countrymen) than all religious wars combined, the problem is "self" lordship!

Paganism, Political institutions, Atheism, Religions, and so on???? These are just vehicles through which this need to "self" dominate is carried...only a relationship with the true LORD, or at the very least, loving others as they themselves would want to be loved, is the only remedy...until then you are part of the problem not the solution.

ISIS is pure evil because of what it does and how it acts, not because it is Muslim....they steal, kill, torture, rape, etc., it does not matter what name or cause they do it in...and like any other cancer (a group of self willed cells imposing their way upon all others) they must be cut out or irradiated and eliminated to save the whole body (humankind). As once said evil only exists as long as good men do nothing.

AS individuals become "other" oriented and concerned, the world heals (one soul at a time). We can not force this by arms, and cannot legislate it by laws, it is a change in the nature of a man's will, and sadly nature can never do this, because nature knows only animalism (like all beasts of the field). Survival of the fittest defines the most powerful and fearful as the fittest (eventually it is interpreted as might making right) and this is wrongly interpreted as their genetic right, and thus history only gets interpreted by the victor and the suffering continues.

Paul

 

[paulm50]

Religion has definitely played its part in lots of wars, but I'm not so sure that members of ISIS would be upstanding citizens if there was no religion.

Probably not, which is why without definitive proof there is a god, which version is right. People will continue to kill each other over the right shade of whatever colour they have had driven into the,.

As to the question of why God doesn't stop it, well that is just the age old question of why God allows evil and suffering in the world. Probably the most difficult question for a theist to answer, and the only explanation that has a ring of truth imo is the free will of man is deemed more important than being spared suffering. I'm not sure man can truly have free will if angels come crashing down from heaven to stop people killing each other or forming their own opinion on how God wants them to live their life. If lightning bolts came down and executed all of ISIS tomorrow, do you honestly feel that you personally would have a free choice of whether to accept God or not? Or would you more likely be tempted to start worshipping God for fear of his wrath?

According to christians, god chose an insignificant tribe as his "chosen people". He then sent his son to save that chosen people, not start a new religion. This is either a failing of wanting to save people, or no intention to.

As for giving us free will then getting upset and punishing us for using it. Well that makes no sense.

Why lightning bolts, why not a son who came down to convert the most powerful and remained with us as evidence? Jesus failed to convince anyone in power.

 

[paulm50]

The way to tell if a religion is made by man is to see the theology in a holistic manner. Human wisdom is limited. We may make something beautiful. But we can not make something which is unbelievable yet is beautiful. In order to see the doctrine of Christianity is beyond human wisdom, but those of other religions are not, then you really need to STUDY them. If you do not, then certainly you can not tell.

That is where the most difficult point is. You hesitate to devote your time to ANY of these religions. No work, no gain. You certainly understand this.

I can prove a lot are man made, that men wrote all the bibles around. Paul makes it plain he was writing his thoughts, often contrary to Jesus's. John was a mad man living in a cave ranting at the clouds. Bibles are very contradictory, very male biased. Over to you for proof otherwise.

I get the work part bibles are good at telling people to work hard, where's the reward? Not counting rulers and clergy.

How do you know this?

Because I read History Books.

The fight among Muslims is strange to me. But I am sure they do not kill each other just because the doctrine difference. Something else must be the main reason. Fight for the doctrine correctness is only the banner.

Agree, power and wealth are the motivations. Much like wars in the bible, all it needs is a leader to say this is god's work, so go die for him and get me that land. Research "Ark of the Covenant" production and use. If you think bibles were written for anything but the benefit of the rulers, read them again. And consider their use.

They promise you nothing here, but service. With the reward after you die. Unless you're a leader or priest.

 

[Loudmouth]

Oh this old nonsensical argument.

Two men see a car drive down the road, one says its blue, the other insists it was red. Therefore no car drove down the road. Logical yes?

Poor analogy. A better one . . .

Two men see a car drive down the road, and both claim it is invisible. One insists it was red, the other says it was blue. Why should we think that either of them are right?

 

[juvenissun]

I can prove a lot are man made, that men wrote all the bibles around. Paul makes it plain he was writing his thoughts, often contrary to Jesus's. John was a mad man living in a cave ranting at the clouds. Bibles are very contradictory, very male biased. Over to you for proof otherwise.

One of the most incredible part of the Bible is to emphasize the death and the resurrection of Jesus. This is obviously a fairy tale to you. If you are a religion creator like Muhammad, would you make up such a ridiculous story and expect people to believe it? Muhammad is certainly smart enough to avoid that. In fact, no other religious founder did that. And, Jesus Himself is NOT even the Christian founder. How ridiculous the Christianity could be.

Yes, the Bible is full of controversial stories. You are smart, so you do not believe it. Would you think I (and may others) am very dumb, even close to an idiot, so I believe it so much? I have a good life and I have a very good job and I do not take drugs. Why do I need to believe in such a nonsense?

 

[Loudmouth]

One of the most incredible part of the Bible is to emphasize the death and the resurrection of Jesus. This is obviously a fairy tale to you. If you are a religion creator like Muhammad, would you make up such a ridiculous story and expect people to believe it?

Then Joseph Smith must have really been on to something.

 

[SkyWriting]

The only things created were religions.

Then it's a natural thing. Take a chill pill.

 

[paulm50]

One of the most incredible part of the Bible is to emphasize the death and the resurrection of Jesus. This is obviously a fairy tale to you. If you are a religion creator like Muhammad, would you make up such a ridiculous story and expect people to believe it? Muhammad is certainly smart enough to avoid that. In fact, no other religious founder did that. And, Jesus Himself is NOT even the Christian founder. How ridiculous the Christianity could be.

Yes, the Bible is full of controversial stories. You are smart, so you do not believe it. Would you think I (and may others) am very dumb, even close to an idiot, so I believe it so much? I have a good life and I have a very good job and I do not take drugs. Why do I need to believe in such a nonsense?

Yes an incredible story. Bur not unusual.

10 Resurrected Religious Figures.

Gods who were resurrected. Even Christians sites try hard to find differences to prove Jesus was unique. The Internet is a great place to learn how easy it is to destroy an argument. Pity they didn't have it 2,000 years ago.

Why do you need to believe in the bible? Only you can answer that, start by telling us what if gives you, that I'm not getting. I'm retired, self made man, married, family and love everything that doesn't hurt me. Faced death in the face once personally and once with my wife facing death. Didn't need god to get us through it, we're both strong willed people. We saved ourselves, with the help of doctors. I don't need to believe.