Genesis 3 makes first reference to the sun and when it was visible on earth. And that is well before it describes plant life?
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Plants did not start growing before there was a Sun.
Genesis 3 makes first reference to the sun and when it was visible on earth. And that is well before it describes plant life?
The Old Testament does have examples of God ordering genocide.
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." 1 Samuel 15:2-3
The real danger is when people ignore their own sense of morality in favor of a supposedly divine set of rules in a book supposedly written by a deity.
Genesis 1 has plants being created before the Sun. Are you saying that Genesis disagrees with itself?
And how does God ordering a genocide in history imply that he wants us to murder people now? The laws of the old testament have never been Christian law beyond those identified in the new testament , so there is simply no biblical justification for genocide. So I take it you think Christianity is innocent of the Crusades yes?
Was it Muslims who said that the Pope was the Lord's Vicar on Earth, and must be obeyed? No. It was Christian theology that made the Pope God's representative on Earth.
I meant verse 3, where it refers to day and night. Verse 1 is the makings of the heaven and earth, and the sun by inference.
Was it an atheist that said churches must be destroyed and the religious executed? Exactly
False. The Sun wasn't made until day 4. Light and the Sun are two different things in Jewish astronomy. They didn't understand that the Sun was responsible for light in the rest of the sky.
Was it a mustached man that said churches must be destroyed and the religious executed? Exactly.
Lol that is just wrong. You have to be pretty simple to read it as the sun was created after day and night.
Day 4 was when the sky became visible, and the sun and stars could actually be seen, which was when the earth's atmosphere stopped being translucent and was after plants have appeared.
The book is written from the point of view of someone on the earth, that is quite clear, and it is rrmarkedly close to our scientific understanding, especially when you compare it to the origin stories of most other religions which are not even close.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
Genesis 1:14-19
Day 4 is when the Sun was created. Genesis is really, really clear on that.
Go outside just before dawn on a clear day. You will notice that the sky has light, but no Sun. This is why the Jews thought that the light of the sky and the Sun were two different things.
To think that an ancient tribe that relied on farming for food, actually thought that plants appeared before the sun is ridiculous.
They knew full well that plants need the sun to grow!
You are just not interpreting the text correctly, like I said the sun was not created on the fourth day it is quite clear that night and day where made on or even before the first day.
The important point to remember is that this account is from the perspective of someone standing on earth, which is why for example the earth is in complete darkness at first, as the earth's atmosphere was too thick to let in light.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The Big Bang created the Heavens and Earth.What said in Genesis 1 is ACCURATE according to modern science.
The bible is full of stories of god killing people or him commanding others to kill. Are you saying the Crusades, were not on the command of god? If so provide evidence the people who ordered the Crusades, didn't ever get to talk to god. Juvenissun talks to him.It doesn't need to proscribe anything. The Bible didn't incitre the Crusades so by the logic you can't blame Christianity for them..
Today in the modern world that's true. According to you and the one god who loves us all. There should be only one and that should have one sect. The only explanation if there is a god, is he no longer cares.Yes. But there are only a few major religions. It is not easy at all.
Stalin, Hitler, Karadzic, etc. Didn't personally kill all the victims in the genocides they ordered. They were helped and supported by Christians.I could just as easily absolve Christianity of blame for genocide by saying it wasn't Christianity it was fascists. But I wouldn't because its absurd.
To say that Stalin's atheism had no impact on his policies is to ignore a lot of what he did specifically against religion. Anyway this isnt really the topic being discussed
If you refer to the original version. http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/bookstore/e-books/mtg.pdfTo think that an ancient tribe that relied on farming for food, actually thought that plants appeared before the sun is ridiculous. They knew full well that plants need the sun to grow! You are just not interpreting the text correctly, like I said the sun was not created on the fourth day it is quite clear that night and day where made on or even before the first day.
That makes it even more remarkable that they knew that the sun wasn't visible on earth until after plant life came.
The important point to remember is that this account is from the perspective of someone standing on earth, which is why for example the earth is in complete darkness at first, as the earth's atmosphere was too thick to let in light.
Don't forget the Paulms -- (those who believe the only things created were religions).The only things created were religions.
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Don't believe me? Moonies, Scientology, Mormons, Buddhists, Branch Davidians, Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, Aum Shinrikyo, Children of God, Order of the Solar Temple, People’s Temple, Heaven’s Gate.
No. Man has created lots of things, including great stories.Don't forget the Paulms -- (those who believe the only things created were religions).
Yes, indeed.No. Man has created lots of things, including great stories.
If you refer to the original version. http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/bookstore/e-books/mtg.pdf
You will see he created light very early on. And later he created the Sun, 1:14"and “Elohiym [Powers]” said, the luminaries will exist in the sheet of the sky to make a separation between the day and the night and they exist for signs and for appointed times and for days and years,1:15 and they exist for luminaries in the sheet of the sky to make glow upon the land and he existed so,
Light isn't the sun and moon. Of course the Earth was created by the Big Bang and there's no evidence at all that god created the big bang. Plus if god created the sun, as you say, he didn't create humans until the Earth was billions of years old. It's a story we now know as little more than what the priests invented.
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