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I didnt say they demonstrate evolution I said macro evolution. however if you can prove ancestry between two genus level animals then you can prove it however you wish. as this is the definition of macroevolution according to most non generic (not wikipedia) sites. now it can be one or a million transitions in between as long as you prove ancestry to both.
if evolution were true, we not see one transition for macro evolution,
the generic sites usually will say "at or above the level of species," but the more technical sites like UC Berkley say "above the level of species".Define "macro evolution".
Also, list the criteria that are used to determine if two species belong to the same genus.
have done so for nearly 10 years now on these threadsIf it is attacked, can you defend it? Or will you only cut and paste from other websites you don't understand?
I am not a scientist, why would I post my own words? Thats like you posting your own words, without citation, which is pretty much useless.So you will actually respond with your own words, and address the words I write?
have done so for nearly 10 years now on these threads
I am not a scientist, why would I post my own words?
the generic sites usually will say "at or above the level of species," but the more technical sites like UC Berkley say "above the level of species".
Evolution 101: Macroevolution
"Macroevolution generally refers to evolution above the species level"
also indiana university:
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/pap.macroevolution.pdf
also some institutes of Biological Sciences:
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national evolution sythesis center:
https://www.nescent.org/media/NABT/
2006 Annual Meeting of the National Association of Biology Teachers -- Albuquerque, NM
This year's theme: "Macroevolution: Evolution above the Species Level"
3rd Annual AIBS, BSCS, NESCent Evolution Science and Education Symposium
3rd Annual AIBS, BSCS, NESCent Evolution Science and Education Symposium
A Peer review article also coincides:
"The term macroevolution was introduced by Iurii Filipchenko, a Russian geneticist and developmental biologist and mentor of Theodosius Dobzhansky. Filipchenko distinguished between Mendelian inheritance within species and non-Mendelian, cytoplasmic inheritance responsible for the formation of taxa above the species level."
Erwin, D. H. (2000), Macroevolution is more than repeated rounds of microevolution. Evolution & Development, 2: 7884. doi: 10.1046/j.1525-142x.2000.00045.x
Article found online here:
Macroevolution is more than repeated rounds of microevolution - Erwin - 2001 - Evolution & Development - Wiley Online Library
the criteria is sexual compatibility.
If it can reproduce and produce fertile offspring, then it is a transition.
"The FROG-FISH, or the metamorphosis is very paradoxical, as Nature
would not admit the change of one Genus into another one of a
different
Class. Rana, as all amphibians, possesses lungs and spiny bones. Spiny
fishes are
provided with gills instead of lungs. Therefore this change would be
contrary to
nature's law. For if this fish is provided with gills, it will be
different from Rana and
the amphibians; if with lungs, it will be a Lizard, for there is all
the world of difference
between them and Chondropterygii and Plagiuri. "
Then the production of new species is macro evolution.
You just said it was speciation. Please make up your mind.
How do you do that with fossils?
We already found fish that also have lungs. Linnaeus was wrong.
I have yet to see you do it once. All you do is copy and paste from creationist websites, just like the post I quoted before.
See, you are already making excuses.
everything I posted states macro evolution is " above the level of species"
whether it involves speciation or not doesnt matter as I am sure it would play a part of macro evolution but speciation is not " above the level of species"
Exactly. That's what speciation is. Below the level of species is gene flow within a population. Above the level of species is the production of separate populations where there is limited gene flow between the populations.
Yes, it is.
well just self deception of course .... because no one is deceived unless they want to be.This is a question for creationists, primarily young earth creationists.
What, in your opinion, is the reason that the scientific community - and the public more generally - accepts evolution as the prevailing model for biology and also deep time as the prevailing concepts for geology and cosmology?
Note that I'm not asking you to explain why you are a creationist or what you believe, or to defend your position.
What I'm interested in is what reasons you think that evolutionary biology is the generally accepted explanation for the diversity of life and that there is scientific concordance about the ages of the earth and the universe.
It is a scientific conspiracy? The influence of satan or other supernatural forces? Is it man deliberately misleading himself?
What is your explanation?
so speciation would logically then follow to become evolution between genra. .
being here ten years, still no sign of macroebolution.
that is if you arecorrect that speciation is at a higher taxa than species.
so then is or is not macro evolution simply repeated rounds of microevolution? loudmouth? anybody?
This one.The influence of satan or other supernatural forces?
The Muses in Greek mythology, poetry and literature, are the goddesses of the inspiration of literature, science and the arts. They were considered the source of the knowledge, related orally for centuries in the ancient culture, that was contained in poetic lyrics and myths.
This one.
I believe the Muses are fallen angels that are still working on us today.
Is that what you heard me say?IOW, you believe whenever someone gets an idea, it's demonic.
Why am I not surprised?
Is that what you heard me say?
Nothing?Literature, science, and the arts -- eliminate those, and what do you have left?
I didnt say they demonstrate evolution I said macro evolution. however if you can prove ancestry between two genus level animals then you can prove it however you wish. as this is the definition of macroevolution according to most non generic (not wikipedia) sites. now it can be one or a million transitions in between as long as you prove ancestry to both.
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