Creationists: Please, I need to hear you say it.

[TrueAuthority]

What i dont really get is...
If natural selection is true, why in the world would it choose us? we arent equipped to handle the wild/forest.. There are animals ten times as stronger/faster than us.
And how do you suppose we made it through winter?

But i guess what most people will tell me is that we somehow "mutated" into something better with bigger brains and the natural selection process "knew" this and chose us to be the dominant species.. I still dont understand why us?

 

[ProbePhage]

What i dont really get is...
If natural selection is true, why in the world would it choose us? we arent equipped to handle the wild/forest.. There are animals ten times as stronger/faster than us.
And how do you suppose we made it through winter?

But i guess what most people will tell me is that we somehow "mutated" into something better with bigger brains and the natural selection process "knew" this and chose us to be the dominant species.. I still dont understand why us?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there's quite a bit of evidence that much of human evolution occurred in an equatorial or tropical kind of environment. It certainly explains some things such as the reason we lost our hair and the reason we walk upright (much better ventilation for our heads).

 

[TrueAuthority]

Alright, but my question still isnt answered..

 

[Pilgrim 33]

first thing you have to do is realize that God and lies do not mix and what the public schools are cramming down your throats are lies. Their entire purpose is to little by little, so that over the years from Grade one all the way through college, they have gradually turned you away from and against God.

 

[Jet Black]

What i dont really get is...
If natural selection is true, why in the world would it choose us? we arent equipped to handle the wild/forest.. There are animals ten times as stronger/faster than us.
And how do you suppose we made it through winter?

But i guess what most people will tell me is that we somehow "mutated" into something better with bigger brains and the natural selection process "knew" this and chose us to be the dominant species.. I still dont understand why us?

not really. I think that you have been misguided as to how evolution works. basically the principle is that differences in individuals in a breeding population lead to cetain individuals having more children than others. This means that on average, the population will become more like them. This is called differential reproductive success (natural selection is included in ths). mutations may also occur which create more variation in the population, and these might be either beneficial or detrimental. Now as for humans we are not entirely sure what the environment was that resulted in selection for our traits, and it is bound to be quite complex anyway. clearly one of the important dactors was bipedality - standing on two legs, since this is seen in the earliest homimid ancestors such as Lucy. Bipedality has a few advantages that we know of, for one thing, it is more energy efficient than knuckle walking, enabling the new bipeds to be able to cover longer distances along flat terrain. Bipedality also frees up the hads for other things, such as throwing rocks and stuff like that, which may have been very useful against predators. These changes were occuring around the same time that the forest was receeding on the african plains, and turning into the savannah that e see today. The forest existed mostly as little islands with large open spaces between them. The differential reproductive success I spoke of earlier will have acted in favour of those who could survive in this sort of environment. The rise of intelligence and so on will have come later, along with tool making and so on, which again gave those with the ability, a better advantage over those who did not have it. i.,e. if you can make a sharp stone, you can not only scare a predator, but might kill it too, or you can use it to injure prey while it is quite far away and then using those awesome running skills (humans have the best long distance stamina of any animal) you can follow the prey while it bleeds to death. (many of the ealiest tools were like bladed frisbees)

this is just some of the early stuff, but I hope it helps dispel a few of the myths about how evolution progresses, that you seem to have aquired.

 

[Jet Black]

first thing you have to do is realize that God and lies do not mix and what the public schools are cramming down your throats are lies. Their entire purpose is to little by little, so that over the years from Grade one all the way through college, they have gradually turned you away from and against God.

you know it is junk like that which really makes me think that this forum needs a "back up your conspiriacy theories" rule.

 

[kingreaper]

What i dont really get is...
If natural selection is true, why in the world would it choose us?

Our supreme adaptability

we arent equipped to handle the wild/forest..

Have you ever seen those african tribes?

They handle the wild extremely well, with only a loincloth and very basic technology

We didn't evolve in woodlands

There are animals ten times as stronger/faster than us.

And?

We're smarter than them

And how do you suppose we made it through winter?

We evolved in equatorial africa

There's no such thing as winter in equatorial africa

But i guess what most people will tell me is that we somehow "mutated" into something better with bigger brains and the natural selection process "knew" this and chose us to be the dominant species..

Yes, there will millions of minute mutations

Better is subjective

Natural selection knows nothing, those animals that have offspring, have descendants around, those animals that don't have no descendants around

We aren't the dominant species, which is kind of subjective anyway

I still dont understand why us?

Any sentient animal would ask the same question, and these niche would eventually be filled, the beings that filled it just happn to be hairless apes

 

[kingreaper]

not really. I think that you have been misguided as to how evolution works. basically the principle is that differences in individuals in a breeding population lead to cetain individuals having more children than others. This means that on average, the population will become more like them. This is called differential reproductive success (natural selection is included in ths). mutations may also occur which create more variation in the population, and these might be either beneficial or detrimental. Now as for humans we are not entirely sure what the environment was that resulted in selection for our traits, and it is bound to be quite complex anyway. clearly one of the important dactors was bipedality - standing on two legs, since this is seen in the earliest homimid ancestors such as Lucy. Bipedality has a few advantages that we know of, for one thing, it is more energy efficient than knuckle walking, enabling the new bipeds to be able to cover longer distances along flat terrain. Bipedality also frees up the hads for other things, such as throwing rocks and stuff like that, which may have been very useful against predators. These changes were occuring around the same time that the forest was receeding on the african plains, and turning into the savannah that e see today. The forest existed mostly as little islands with large open spaces between them. The differential reproductive success I spoke of earlier will have acted in favour of those who could survive in this sort of environment. The rise of intelligence and so on will have come later, along with tool making and so on, which again gave those with the ability, a better advantage over those who did not have it. i.,e. if you can make a sharp stone, you can not only scare a predator, but might kill it too, or you can use it to injure prey while it is quite far away and then using those awesome running skills (humans have the best long distance stamina of any animal) you can follow the prey while it bleeds to death. (many of the ealiest tools were like bladed frisbees)

this is just some of the early stuff, but I hope it helps dispel a few of the myths about how evolution progresses, that you seem to have aquired.

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[TrueAuthority]

not really. I think that you have been misguided as to how evolution works. basically the principle is that differences in individuals in a breeding population lead to cetain individuals having more children than others. This means that on average, the population will become more like them. This is called differential reproductive success (natural selection is included in ths). mutations may also occur which create more variation in the population, and these might be either beneficial or detrimental. Now as for humans we are not entirely sure what the environment was that resulted in selection for our traits, and it is bound to be quite complex anyway. clearly one of the important dactors was bipedality - standing on two legs, since this is seen in the earliest homimid ancestors such as Lucy. Bipedality has a few advantages that we know of, for one thing, it is more energy efficient than knuckle walking, enabling the new bipeds to be able to cover longer distances along flat terrain. Bipedality also frees up the hads for other things, such as throwing rocks and stuff like that, which may have been very useful against predators. These changes were occuring around the same time that the forest was receeding on the african plains, and turning into the savannah that e see today. The forest existed mostly as little islands with large open spaces between them. The differential reproductive success I spoke of earlier will have acted in favour of those who could survive in this sort of environment. The rise of intelligence and so on will have come later, along with tool making and so on, which again gave those with the ability, a better advantage over those who did not have it. i.,e. if you can make a sharp stone, you can not only scare a predator, but might kill it too, or you can use it to injure prey while it is quite far away and then using those awesome running skills (humans have the best long distance stamina of any animal) you can follow the prey while it bleeds to death. (many of the ealiest tools were like bladed frisbees)

this is just some of the early stuff, but I hope it helps dispel a few of the myths about how evolution progresses, that you seem to have aquired.

Thanks.

 

[Jet Black]

wahoo

I Winaced up JB

I got the thanks though. *gloats*

 

[Jet Black]

Thanks.

no problem natural selection can often be easily misunderstood, since we tend to associate selectin with something being picked in advance because of its properties i.e. selecting the cleanest freshest looking tomatoes from a pile. This isn't how nature does it though; the selection is more closely associated with breeding sucess, which is why personally I prefer to focus on differential reproductive success

 

[Pilgrim 33]

you know it is junk like that which really makes me think that this forum needs a "back up your conspiriacy theories" rule.

tons of evidence, references, and links have already been provided on this message board alone, not to mention all the other christian message boards. also, public school systems are humanistic oriented institutions.

o&btw, evolution IS a conspiracy! The only option left for those refusing God is evolution!

 

[ProbePhage]

tons of evidence, references, and links have already been provided on this message board alone, not to mention all the other christian message boards. also, you are far too young to make such an uninformed judgment. kindly research before posting inanities. public school systems are humanistic oriented institutions.

o&btw, evolution IS a conspiracy! The only option left for those refusing God is evolution!

Wow... Just wow...

 

[Randall McNally]

tons of evidence, references, and links have already been provided on this message board alone, not to mention all the other christian message boards.

Tons? Then you shouldn't have any trouble at all providing three or four links.

also, you are far too young to make such an uninformed judgment. kindly research before posting inanities. public school systems are humanistic oriented institutions.

Oh? I guess my principal forgot to mention that.

In any case, humanism isn't a necessarily secular philosophy. There are Christian humanists, you know.

o&btw, evolution IS a conspiracy!

As was, I suppose, the entire 20th Century.

The only option left for those refusing God is evolution!

False dichotomies are fun.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

Wow... Just wow...

Perhaps the single biggest problems for those espousing evolution is that they place their own pride before even the scientific aspects they claim to believe.
Their own self pride is what refuses them to believe in God and the Bible. If they will not humble and submit their pride, will, wishes and desires to those of God they cannot EVER be accepted by God. The only option left for them is to create their own god in their own image and that is they themselves.

 

[Pilgrim 33]

Tons? Then you shouldn't have any trouble at all providing three or four links.

You're not even serious or you'd already be looking up the links yourself.

In any case, humanism isn't a necessarily secular philosophy.

It's total secular humanism. even the u s supreme court years back stated so.

 

[h2whoa]

o&btw, evolution IS a conspiracy! The only option left for those refusing God is evolution!

Do you want to borrow my tinfoil hat?

h2

 

[A4C]

Do you want to borrow my tinfoil hat?

h2

What size is it?
It would probably be too big for us

 

[Pilgrim 33]

an aussie 4 Christ said THAT?!!! Amazing. what are they teaching those poor kids down under these days anyway?

don't need no hats when you have The Sword!

 

[Nathan Poe]

You're not even serious or you'd already be looking up the links yourself.

It's your claim. You prove it.
Shall we be chewing your food for you as well?

Then you're obviously too young to enter into a debate way beyond your immaturity else your principal would not have neglected to mention it.

I don't know, but I'm seeing some telltale signs of maturity levels here...

It's total secular humanism. even the u s supreme court years back stated so.

Totally unrelated, but has onyone else noted that nobody seems to whine about "activist judges" when they agree with them?

Yeah, Satan's club has membership worldwide. You cannot mix good and evil.

So where's the evil?