Creationists: is there anything you can be wrong about?

[Delphiki]

Rejecting God is called hatred. Less than milk doctrine.

Then why are there so many hateful religious people?

 

[KWCrazy]

Have you ever found out you were wrong about something you would have been willing to stake your life you were right about?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationism is just another word for deliberately induced ignorance, keeping a child ignorant of evolution is damaging for the child and the community the child will eventually live in.

Creationism is as bad as that religion that stupidly does not allow blood transfusions, by all mean believe it yourself but don't inflict it on the children.

Ignorance is evil, man has spent lifetimes trying to eliminate ignorance only for some backward thinking people being bent on encouraging it.

Yes and God knows that ignorance needs to be eliminated in our lifetime, doesn't He, after all, the people who get an real edjucation need to learn them that ain't got one to wake up and smell the coffee dont they?

isn't that what being a real scientist is all about, learning to be real smart and all and can show them cdesign proponentsists what a reel edjucation can do for you.

I'm so glad i learnt the smarts, sos I can tell them bible-believing boys how backwards they is, I plan to keep learning too acause you never reach a point in your life where's you can say i know it all

 

[Mr Strawberry]

No.

Really? So you have never experienced the slowly dawning horror and surprise of realising that you were wrong about something you were convinced about?

 

[AV1611VET]

It's madness.

Ain't it though!?

I'll tell you whats reel madness though, them creationists is going to drag this country down and pretty soon we'll all be hurling speers at are enemies.

The thought of them creationists arguing against science then using them computers and electrik teethbrushes is enough to drive us edjacated peeps right up the wall, you would think they'd learn by now wouldn't you?

 

[KWCrazy]

Creationism is just another word for deliberately induced ignorance,

Your statement is a blatant flame and a deliberate falsehood.
Creationism is the understanding that the Scriptures are the revealed word of God, despite the claims of the lost who do not know Him and the deliberate false teachers who hate their own Creator.

keeping a child ignorant of evolution is damaging for the child and the community the child will eventually live in.

Ignorance of evolution is what leads to its acceptance. The more you learn about the implausible theory of molecules to man the more you see that it leaves science behind and moves into the arena of attacking religion. There is nothing which is KNOWN that doesn't fit with the speciation expected after the Great Flood. I could point out that the Scriptures point out that people who reject God are fools, but then you've already learned Psalms 14:1.

Ignorance is evil,

You don't believe in evil, remember?
Ignorance isn't evil. Rejection of the Savior is the greatest evil there is.

 

[KWCrazy]

Really? So you have never experienced the slowly dawning horror and surprise of realising that you were wrong about something you were convinced about?

Moving the goal posts again? You asked, "Have you ever found out you were wrong about something you would have been willing to stake your life you were right about?" The answer was no.

Now you're asking an entirely different question. Yes. At one time I thought that most atheists came to Christian forums to debate the issues. Now I realize that the vast majority actually seek to undermine the faith of others, teach false doctrine to the weak willed, and to wage war against the word of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why are there so many hateful religious people?

Because there aren't enough towers for them to eliminate themselves?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Moving the goal posts again? You asked, "Have you ever found out you were wrong about something you would have been willing to stake your life you were right about?" The answer was no.

Yes, I realised you might make an issue of that bit, so I thought we'd clarify things so we could get at the main point of the question.

Now you're asking an entirely different question.

Well, not really, essentially it's the same question, but we'll let it pass.

Yes. At one time I thought that most atheists came to Christian forums to debate the issues. Now I realize that the vast majority actually seek to undermine the faith of others, teach false doctrine to the weak willed, and to wage war against the word of God.

So you avoid answering the question and choose instead to answer with a slander.

Let's backtrack. If you were taken back in time and shown the shadowy, ghostly form you were convinced appeared in a corridor when you were little, and it was demonstrated to you that it wasn't in fact anything supernatural but had a perfectly rational explanation, would that qualify as you being wrong about something you are utterly convinced you are right about? And if so, have you ever been wrong about something you were equally convinced about in your life?

 

[bhsmte]

Really? So you have never experienced the slowly dawning horror and surprise of realising that you were wrong about something you were convinced about?

I think you will find that to be a fundamental difference between believers and non-believers on many occasions.

The atheist, will usually state, they could be wrong and there is a God and the person who supports evolution will admit, there is a chance that evolution is shown to be wrong. But, when it comes to many YEC's and fundamentalist believers, they will likely state there is a zero percent chance they are wrong about any of their beliefs.

This leads to the obvious. When a person has worked so hard to convince themselves they could not possibly be wrong, that would also mean they have nothing new to learn and they have set themselves up to reject evidence and any new information, that goes against their belief, no matter how strong and objective the evidence is.

To me, this is like a physician who examines a patient and gives an opinion on the diagnosis. Then the patient gets other opinions based on more thorough diagnostics that gave the other physicians more information and a different diagnosis altogether from the original physician, but the first physician states he can't be wrong and he does not accept the other diagnosis even though the other physicians have diagnostic tests that he did not do, to rely on.

 

[Delphiki]

Moving the goal posts again? You asked, "Have you ever found out you were wrong about something you would have been willing to stake your life you were right about?" The answer was no.

Now you're asking an entirely different question. Yes. At one time I thought that most atheists came to Christian forums to debate the issues. Now I realize that the vast majority actually seek to undermine the faith of others, teach false doctrine to the weak willed, and to wage war against the word of God.

I'm curious. What do you think the purpose of debate is?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm curious. What do you think the purpose of debate is?

On this site, it's to vent & ridicule.

 

[Delphiki]

On this site, it's to vent & ridicule.

It's nice to see you finally being honest about something.

 

[Seipai]

On this site, it's to vent & ridicule.

The ridiculing of creationists is self imposed. There really is no need to feel any pity for them. This thread seemed to start off as an earnest attempt to find out why creationists have such poor thought processes.

 

[AV1611VET]

The ridiculing of creationists is self imposed.

Of course it is.

Anyone claiming a literal Genesis 1 should be committed, shouldn't they?

What about the venting I mentioned?

There really is no need to feel any pity for them.

We don't want your pity ... it wouldn't be genuine, anyway.

This thread seemed to start off as an earnest attempt to find out why creationists have such poor thought processes.

60% say you're assessment is wrong.

 

[KWCrazy]

If you were taken back in time and shown the shadowy, ghostly form you were convinced appeared in a corridor when you were little, and it was demonstrated to you that it wasn't in fact anything supernatural but had a perfectly rational explanation, would that qualify as you being wrong about something you are utterly convinced you are right about?

I'm not sure how they would go about convincing me of that, since it wasn't in a place where there were windows which could allow for car headlights or someone with a flashlight playing games; and shadows are much harder to generate then light in a hallway with overhead lighting.

However, if there was overwhelming evidence that particular experience was a natural phenomenon, then it would certainly change what I thought about it. That wouldn't explain the other things that happened that night which I didn't mention, and it wouldn't explain the many other experiences that I have had over my many years.

As far as being wrong, I'm skeptical by natural and tend to over analyze things, so I'm not easily convinced about things which have very little evidence. In my case the evidence of God was overwhelming and encompassed many things; not just one particular event. I could cite, for example, my grandfather, who was a man given to drinking who held no belief in God whatsoever. Over time he came to be one of the most devout men I ever knew. He exemplified what it meant to be "born again." He was no simple minded sap, either. He was probably one of the toughest men I've ever known.

We all make mistakes. I make them every day. With God, though, there is no mistake. The Holy Spirit will reveal to you anything that you ask of Him.

 

[CabVet]

The key word here, Sayre, is "embedded."

I define embedded age as: maturity without history.

Take Adam for instance.

Although at the end of the first day of his existence, the earth had only gone around the sun 1/365 times, Adam was old enough to have a job, get married and have children.

Thus Adam had some 20 or 30 years of maturity without history.

Honestly AV, do you think there is a possibility that you might be wrong about this? Or is this "God's truth"?

 

[FredHoyle]

The Holy Spirit will reveal to you anything that you ask of Him.

That's because your mind IS the Holy Spirit and it does what you tell it to.

 

[CabVet]

I could be wrong about geology and the age of the earth being irrelevant. There's a pretty good chance that Darwinians are malicious and my assumption that most of them are sincerely self deceived could be in error.

If you mean could I be wrong about God being Creator and the Genesis account of creation being the only true account of the origin of life I really don't see how. But then again, that could be just another argument from incredulity and God may have confined himself to exclusively naturalistic causes going back to the Big Bang.

God only knows....

Have a nice day
Mark

Oh, I knew I could find a creationist that doesn't think that everything he says is "God's truth"! Thank you for your honesty.

 

[AV1611VET]

Honestly AV, do you think there is a possibility that you might be wrong about this? Or is this "God's truth"?

I thought I answered that already?