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Your post#310, 'Theology: items 1-3' contains objectively untestable concepts, whereas 'Science items 1-3' contains the necessary elements to objectively test out. Thus, the two aren't directly analagous.If your son asks for a ladder so he can play on the roof, and you say NO; and he tries to get on the roof by climbing a tree and falls and hurts himself, is it your fault?
So if the U.S. would have sold it to them ... against U.S. policy ... and they would have used it to break Article 198 of the Treaty of Versailles, then what?Partly his for climbing it, and partly mine for not making sure that he followed my instructions. But that's dodging the issue.
The reason why the Hindenburg used hydrogen instead of helium was because the US controlled the exports of helium and they refused to sell it to Germany because they didn't want Germany to break article 198 of the Treaty of Versailles which states: "The armed forces of Germany must not include any military or naval air forces ... No dirigible shall be kept."
The Nazi Party, in control of Germany during the construction of the Hindenburg, made sure that the zeppelin was built, regardless of the engineers not having the stocks of helium needed so they had to use hydrogen or they were out of a job or worse.
Politics, plain and simple.
I hear ya.Your post#310, 'Theology: items 1-3' contains objectively untestable concepts, whereas 'Science items 1-3' contains the necessary elements to objectively test out. Thus, the two aren't directly analagous.
Your post #310 is therefore a failure for demonstrating your original point (which has now shifted).
You have some kind of crystal ball to make your point then?So if the U.S. would have sold it to them ... against U.S. policy ... and they would have used it to break Article 198 of the Treaty of Versailles, then what?
I believe my point is called a "Catch-22."You have some kind of crystal ball to make your point then?
So if the U.S. would have sold it to them ... against U.S. policy ... and they would have used it to break Article 198 of the Treaty of Versailles, then what?
Warden, I'll ask again, because I think I just made a good point.But that's the nub; the Hindenburg wasn't a zeppelin used by either the military or air force of Germany,
Warden, I'll ask again, because I think I just made a good point.
If the U.S. would have sold it to them ... against U.S. policy ... and they would have used it to break Article 198 of the Treaty of Versailles, then what?
Okay -- have a good day.But they weren't and wouldn't. The Hindenburg was a privately owned, commercial zeppelin, not a military aircraft.
That was before Trumpism, right?
Caring about that real phenomenon is an important first step in stomping it out .. (along with its cohort - ie a willing ignorance of science).I honestly don't care for any of that.
Caring about that real phenomenon is an important first step in stomping it out .. (along with its cohort - ie a willing ignorance of science).
Caring for it, is a consequence of ignorance itself.
WW2 may have started earlier? Perhaps preparations for war in the "allied" countries would have started earlier? US may have joined in rather than sit back and watch? Aircraft development wouldn't have progressed so fast? Who knows.....Warden, I'll ask again, because I think I just made a good point.
If the U.S. would have sold it to them ... against U.S. policy ... and they would have used it to break Article 198 of the Treaty of Versailles, then what?
Point taken.Neither did science.
WW2 may have started earlier? Perhaps preparations for war in the "allied" countries would have started earlier? US may have joined in rather than sit back and watch? Aircraft development wouldn't have progressed so fast? Who knows.....
As I said in an earlier post, the Hindenburg disaster led to Germany abandoning airships and concentrating on aircraft. That led to the early dominance of the German Luftwaffe and the development of large bombers by the allies. So in answer to the question from @AV1611VET "how many lives did the US embargo save?" the answer is, arguably, that it cost thousands of lives.It's that all countries by this point had found that zeppelins were now worthless in warfare due to the advent to monoplane fighter aircraft and multi-engine bomber aircraft.
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