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Creationists: Explain how the designer created and/or modified living things on Earth

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So again. I ask what the is the "non-creationist" explanation of the "mechanisms, processes, forces, ect, involved in the creation of living things on Earth" without a designer and how is your explanation more valid than a biblical answer?


From a creationist point of view, I believe that live evolved in the exact same way that a wolf can "evolve" into a Pomeranian or a poodle. Through selective breeding. God did not necessarily need to create every single species of life on earth. Only a feline, canine, reptile, equestrian, pachyderm, ect. Over time, new breeds will naturally evolve much like new dog breeds are made every other day. In regards to creationists being able to explain the modification of living things on Earth, there are numerous scientists who have provided a wealth of evidence that support theistic creation. However, because they do not fit with the religious paradigm of secular science, they are immediately dismissed. "We know God doesn't exist therefore we can only assume that all scientific evidence pointing toward a divine creator must be wrong."
. It’s because Goddidit is a belief. Scientists need a lot more verifiable physical evidence before they’ll say its a fact. A SSN , fingerprint ,photo anything . Sometimes I wish God would give us this evidence
 
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Science cannot even agree when life begins in the womb much less how life came to exist in the first place.

When you start to explore what life actually is, you'll come to realize these are incredibly difficult questions to answer. In fact, there may be no strictly correct answer given the fuzzy boundary between life and non-life.
 
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When you start to explore what life actually is, you'll come to realize these are incredibly difficult questions to answer. In fact, there may be no strictly correct answer given the fuzzy boundary between life and non-life.
So what do you hope to accomplish by asking creationists a question that science has yet to answer and how is the scientific explanation more valid than a biblical one?
 
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So what do you hope to accomplish by asking creationists a question that science has yet to answer?

This is about relative explanatory power.

Science currently provides more explanatory power when it comes to the origins and diversity of life on Earth.
 
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You must have missed Post 61.

I tend to skim past Bible quotes because a) I've probably seen them before, b) they are often quoted out of context, and c) they don't typically don't provide anything relevant in these threads.
 
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. It’s because Goddidit is a belief. Scientists need a lot more verifiable physical evidence before they’ll say its a fact. A SSN , fingerprint ,photo anything . Sometimes I wish God would give us this evidence
"God didn't do it." is a belief as well. A belief that is no more valid than saying "Goddidit". I would also argue that there is a wealth of evidence that points to God. The problem is that "evidence" is entirely subjective on one's level of skepticism. So I will ask you a simple question. What would "evidence" for creation look like for you?
 
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I tend to skim past Bible quotes because a) I've probably seen them before, b) they are often quoted out of context, and c) they don't typically don't provide anything relevant in these threads.
Again ... what would you do with that information?

Who would you turn it over to?
 
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"God didn't do it." is a belief as well. A belief that is no more valid than saying "Goddidit".

For the record, this thread isn't about Goddidit versus God didn't do it. This thread is to ask creationists how Goddidit.

Many theists that believe in God also marry that with the scientific understanding of origins for life.
 
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Again ... what would you do with that information?

Who would you turn it over to?

I'd give it to the Illuminati probably. :p

Haven't you ever wanted to know something just for the sake of satisfying personal curiosity? Do you not get curious about how things work?
 
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For the record, this thread isn't about Goddidit versus God didn't do it. This thread is to ask creationists how Goddidit.

Many theists that believe in God also marry that with the scientific understanding of origins for life.
I dont believe science can observe evolution, let alone understand it. Its just an evolving theory.
 
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Do you believe that God selectively bred animals then? That God effectively evolved life over time to create the diversity we see today?

Is this process still ongoing? Can we see it in action?
To answer the question as to whether or not God selectively breeds animals is difficult to answer seeing how you do not want to hear biblical references. The Bible suggests that the answer is yes but as you stated in the OP, you are not interested to hear about what the Bible says. However, we do see evolution of animal species happing today in how humans breed animals today. From dogs to cattle, animals are selectively bred for specific purposes. In nature, Darwin describes how nature (through natural selection and environmental factors) effect what animals are able to procreate and share the genetic characteristics best suited to their environment. However, Darwin acknowledged that his view on macro-evolution was a theory, not a fact. He called it the “theory of evolution” as opposed to the “theory of Creation,” phrases he used many times in On the Origin of Species (e.g., 235, 435, 437) . Technically, macro-evolution is more an unconfirmed hypothesis than a theory. Many, including some evolutionists, believe it is an unfalsifiable tautology. Robert H. Peters, in The American Naturalist, stated that evolutionary theories “are actually tautologies and, as such, cannot make empirical testable predictions. They are not scientific theories at all”. Others, like Stephen Toulmin and Langdon Gilkey have come to similar conclusions, calling it a “scientific myth”.

Micro-evolution was confirmed. Darwin is credited, even by creationists, with confirming the existence of small changes in the natural development of species. They are even observable, as his study of the finches reveals. While creationists differ with Darwin as to whether these small changes can add up to large ones by natural selection over long periods of time, Darwin and others should be credited with the demise of the older platonic view of fixed forms on the level of what biologists call species.

 
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I'd give it to the Illuminati probably. :p

Haven't you ever wanted to know something just for the sake of satisfying personal curiosity? Do you not get curious about how things work?
This goes a little beyond mere curiosity, if you ask me.

To be curious is one thing, but to be curious to the point you can't see the danger that knowledge would do is something else.
 
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For the record, this thread isn't about Goddidit versus God didn't do it. This thread is to ask creationists how Goddidit.

Many theists that believe in God also marry that with the scientific understanding of origins for life.
I understand what the OP topic is. I was responding to a statement made by another poster. I think it is a fare question to ask what evidence for theistic creation would look like to a skeptic.
 
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"God didn't do it." is a belief as well. A belief that is no more valid than saying "Goddidit". I would also argue that there is a wealth of evidence that points to God. The problem is that "evidence" is entirely subjective on one's level of skepticism. So I will ask you a simple question. What would "evidence" for creation look like for you?
"God didn't do it" is not a claim made by science.
 
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