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Creationists: Explain how the designer created and/or modified living things on Earth

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I believe life "evolved" but I also believe it was the result of God's miraculous power, it which case a scientific explanation is impossible. Increasing numbers of evolutionary theorists (eg, Gerd B. Muller) are becoming disillusioned with the power of neo-Darwinism to explain the macroevolutions evident in the fossil record (surprise, surprise!).

I'm not curious as to how God performed such miracles because those are events that can't possibly be understood.
that’s news to me and I’ve got a biology degree ! I’m inclined to think that’s just creationist blather
 
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that’s news to me and I’ve got a biology degree ! I’m inclined to think that’s just creationist blather
Are you not Episcopalian? Do Episcopalians not believe that God created the Universe regardless of the method used? If so, why do you use the term "creationist" in such a negative context given the fact you would be a "creationist"?
 
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Are you not Episcopalian? Do Episcopalians not believe that God created the Universe regardless of the method used? If so, why do you use the term "creationist" in such a negative context?
because most creationists I bump into use creation to mean fanciful pseudoscience nonsense and pseudoscience is actually dangerous .
 
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because most creationists I bump into use creation to mean fanciful pseudoscience nonsense and pseudoscience is actually dangerous .
But you are a creationist in a sense that you believe God is the creator of the universe?
 
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Increasing numbers of evolutionary theorists (eg, Gerd B. Muller) are becoming disillusioned with the power of neo-Darwinism to explain the macroevolutions evident in the fossil record (surprise, surprise!).
I've seen this assertion frequently repeated, yet never - not once - have I seen an ounce of support for the claim. (Citing one example constitutes less than a micro-gram.) Can you justify it?
 
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I believe life "evolved" but I also believe it was the result of God's miraculous power, it which case a scientific explanation is impossible.
Why create a false dichotomy? It is possible to believe that life evolved pretty much as the theory of evolution describes and is at once the vehicle of divine Telos. There is no need for God to tinker with it on a material plane.
Increasing numbers of evolutionary theorists (eg, Gerd B. Muller) are becoming disillusioned with the power of neo-Darwinism to explain the macroevolutions evident in the fossil record (surprise, surprise!).
Don't get your hopes up. The "Third Way" does not represent a departure from methodological naturalism nor open a window for creationist pseudoscience.
 
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But you are a creationist in a sense that you believe God is the creator of the universe?
Practically all theists do, so using the term in that way conveys no particular information. As a practical matter, "creationist" is generally reserved as a descriptor for those theists who are at odds with science over our origins.
 
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but its a gear. so how you dont see evidence for design?
So it's a gear. So what? Where is the evidence of intentional manufacture which would allow me to conclude that it was the result of intentional processes rather than natural processes?
 
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"designer did it" is scientific. "its just evolved somehow" isnt.
How did the designer do it? At least the theory of evolution gives us a plausible "how." You've given us nothing.
 
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The question is that if you think living things were created by a designer, then how were they created?
its irrelevant that we cant. we just need to show evidence for design to conclude that nature was designed.
 
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its irrelevant that we cant. we just need to show evidence for design to conclude that nature was designed.
In that case, you need to start being honest with us--and with yourself--about what you are trying to accomplish. It is possible that nature was indeed designed and that the theory of evolution is a correct explanation for the diversity of life as we observe it. That is what most theists believe in any case. It is also possible that the theory of evolution is not a correct explanation and that nature is not designed either, but that some new theory of evolution is required.

These are both obvious possibilities which you seem to be ignoring. Why is that?
 
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So it's a gear. So what?intentional processes rather than natural processes?
so you dont see design here?:

automobile-gears-500x500.jpg


(image from Automobile Gears)
 
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so you dont see design here?:

automobile-gears-500x500.jpg


(image from Automobile Gears)
I see a possibility of design in the way the surfaces are finished and how the splines are arranged, which are not usually characteristic in natural objects, but I would have to examine them more closely to make sure. Just be cause they are shaped like gears manufactured by humans is not, by itself, evidence of design.
 
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how? by design.
So it is my intention, my design, to get out of bed sometime this morning and do the dishes. Doe tha mean we I go into the kitchen the dishes will be done? Or will I not actually have to wash them?
 
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how? by design.

Simply saying "design" doesn't explain how.

It's like if you asked how a building was built and I replied "by design". That doesn't tell you anything.

A real answer would describe the process of excavation, laying the foundation, building the framing, and so on.
 
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"designer did it" is scientific. "its just evolved somehow" isnt.

On the first part, you're wrong. Designer did it is not a scientific claim. If you can explain how, then we can talk.

Insofar as evolution, we have an understand how that process works and we have evidence that indicates the outcome of said process. So yes, evolution really is scientific. Whether you accept that or not really doesn't matter.
 
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its irrelevant that we cant. we just need to show evidence for design to conclude that nature was designed.

Your claim in another thread was this:

great. so we can explain anything in biology by creation too. and thus we dont need evolution to explain it.

Unless you can explain how biological organisms were designed, then creation/design can't explain anything in biology. Since you're admitting you can't explain how organisms were designed, I guess creation can't explain anything in biology.
 
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