Creationists: Explain how life was created.

pitabread · Sep 26, 2018

mmksparbud said:
What part of God formed man of the dust of the earth and breathed His breath into him and He became a living soul do you not understand??? That is all the explanation there is. His breath gave live to a statue made from the dust of the earth. His breath was the power. Enough said.

Okay, so you talk about "breath". Is this a literal breath? Does God breathe air? Does God have lungs?

How does breathing air into a statue create a living organism? What is the process by which this happens? What is the chemical composition of the statue beforehand? What is it afterwards? How does that chemical composition change? What are the forces/mechanisms/etcs at work here?

You need provide more. Show your work.

No Swansong · Sep 26, 2018

pitabread said:
See below.

Right. So this is an example of an explanation for how species were created that goes beyond just quoting the Bible.

Creationists argue that organisms were formed fully created (e.g. not evolved). I want creationists to offer an explanation of how life forms could have been created fully formed, in a similar manner to how evolution otherwise explains how species arose.

And I contend my friend that you are purposely handicapping them beyond what is reasonable. Again I ask you would you ask a Biologist to explain human evolution without the use of scientific principles. I don't believe you have bad intentions my friend perhaps I am not explaining my objection well.

No Swansong · Sep 26, 2018

TheBear said:
Bad analogy.

There is a HUGE difference between knowledge of our natural world thousands of years ago, and knowledge of our natural world today. The very concept of 'biologist' wasn't even in existence thousands of years ago.

Your response had nothing to do with my analogy. I am comparing source material. Asking a person who depends on the Bible (their source material) for their answer to not use it, is analogous to asking a Biologist to explain human evolution without their source material (science)

mmksparbud · Sep 26, 2018

pitabread said:
Okay, so you talk about "breath". Is this a literal breath? Does God breathe air? Does God have lungs?

How does breathing air into a statue create a living organism? What is the process by which this happens? What is the chemical composition of the statue beforehand? What is it afterwards? How does that chemical composition change? What are the forces/mechanisms/etcs at work here?

You need provide more. Show your work.

All it says is His breath. Which is the same breath He gave to all other living animals. As for anything else---the answer is simple---ASK HIM! His breath is the source of all life. You want the chemical composition--take a sample of air and combine it with electrical energy from lightening, harness the power of at least 20 Niagara Falls, and the power of 4 dozen atomic bombs, and split the atom and harness it's energy and exam it and put it all together in one. That should keep you busy for a while--after that, there will probably be more to consider.

Greg J. · Sep 26, 2018

There is a being who is not subject to the flow of what we call time. His nature was expressed in many ways, one of them being in a design of space and time. Part of that expression of himself was that he was both outside and inside space and time. Inside space and time he became more fathomable to beings he would create who were only familiar with existence inside space and the passage of time. A part of his nature revealed in time and space was that he could exert himself to cause change according to his will. We now call that "speaking commands." He himself was only subject to space and time according to his eternal will, but for the sake of others, he revealed himself in various ways in space and time, such as designing how the creation of space and time would appear to those beings who could only comprehend things in their backdrop of energy, matter, location, and will. He did all these things because his nature, what we call love, is both good and glorious enough to provide impetus for it to be shared.

pitabread · Sep 26, 2018

No Swansong said:
And I contend my friend that you are purposely handicapping them beyond what is reasonable. Again I ask you would you ask a Biologist to explain human evolution without the use of scientific principles. I don't believe you have bad intentions my friend perhaps I am not explaining my objection well.

I'm not sure how I am handicapping anyone. I'm simply looking for something beyond just quoting the Bible. That is, if someone seriously wishes to claim that life forms were created fully formed.

pitabread · Sep 26, 2018

mmksparbud said:
All it says is His breath. Which is the same breath He gave to all other living animals. As for anything else---the answer is simple---ASK HIM!

Ask who?

mmksparbud said:
You want the chemical composition--take a sample of air and combine it with electrical energy from lightening, harness the power of at least 20 Niagara Falls, and the power of 4 dozen atomic bombs, and split the atom and harness it's energy and exam it and put it all together in one.

You have to do better than this.

If you're going to take energy, then start by using proper unit measures of energy. How much energy are you actually talking about? Be specific.

Second of all, what does a "sample of air" mean? What is the chemical composition? Are we talking about the same air that is currently in our atmosphere? Or some other mix of chemicals?

Third, how does said chemicals mixed with energy actually create life? What is happening that causes the change in matter from non-living to living?

mmksparbud · Sep 26, 2018

pitabread said:
Ask who?

You have to do better than this.

If you're going to take energy, then start by using proper unit measures of energy. How much energy are you actually talking about?

Second of all, what does a "sample of air" mean? What is the chemical composition? Are we talking about the same air that is currently in our atmosphere? Or some other mix of chemicals?

Third, how does said chemicals mixed with energy actually create life? What is happening that causes the change in matter from non-living to living?

Just follow the directions. Get any air you want. Get all that energy together and shove it up some statues' nose made of dust and you tell us. Nobody in your circle has ever said how life came about.

pitabread · Sep 26, 2018

mmksparbud said:
Just follow the directions. Get any air you want. Get all that energy together and shove it up some statues' nose made of dust and you tell us.

You're being vague and silly. Come back when you have a proper response.

Nobody in your circle has ever said how life came about.

The scientific explanation for the origin of various species is biological evolution. Creationists want to replace that with the idea life forms were created fully formed. Therefore, I want to see the explanation behind the creation of fully formed life. If not by evolution, then how did it occur?

So far all you've proffered are vague references to statues, air and energy. I'm asking you to provide something better.

mmksparbud · Sep 26, 2018

pitabread said:
You're being vague and silly. Come back when you have a proper response.

The scientific explanation for the origin of various species is biological evolution. Creationists want to replace that with the idea life forms were created fully formed. Therefore, I want to see the explanation behind the creation of fully formed life. If not by evolution, then how did it occur?

So far all you've proffered are vague references to statues, air and energy. I'm asking you to provide something better.

What is biological evolution? What brought life about? You have offered no explanation of life.

Speedwell · Sep 26, 2018

mmksparbud said:
What is biological evolution? What brought life about? You have offered no explanation of life.

Neither have you, only named its author.

pitabread · Sep 26, 2018

mmksparbud said:
What is biological evolution?

See here: Welcome to Evolution 101!

What brought life about? You have offered no explanation of life.

I'm talking about the origin of species. The process of evolution explains how life diversifies over time into the various life forms that were observe.

Creationists claim those life forms were not the product of evolution but of independent creation. Therefore, I want to know how those life forms were created.

mark kennedy · Sep 26, 2018

pitabread said:
I'm asking creationists how life was created. If you don't have an explanation, then feel free to move on.

Yea, you obviously dont like the obvious answer. You knew that before you pretended to ask an actual question. Did you really think creationists would chase this in circles, seriously?

No Swansong · Sep 26, 2018

pitabread said:
I'm not sure how I am handicapping anyone. I'm simply looking for something beyond just quoting the Bible. That is, if someone seriously wishes to claim that life forms were created fully formed.

You are taking away their source material. Again would you do the same to a Biologist?

pitabread · Sep 26, 2018

No Swansong said:
You are taking away their source material. Again would you do the same to a Biologist?

The Bible doesn't explain how, that's the problem. That's why I'm asking for something beyond that.

mark kennedy · Sep 26, 2018

pitabread said:
Okay, so you talk about "breath". Is this a literal breath? Does God breathe air? Does God have lungs?

How does breathing air into a statue create a living organism? What is the process by which this happens? What is the chemical composition of the statue beforehand? What is it afterwards? How does that chemical composition change? What are the forces/mechanisms/etcs at work here?

You need provide more. Show your work.

Round and round the question goes.

pitabread · Sep 26, 2018

mark kennedy said:
Yea, you obviously dont like the obvious answer. You knew that before you pretended to ask an actual question. Did you really think creationists would chase this in circles, seriously?

"Goddidit" isn't an explanation. I'm looking for an explanation for the creation of independent life.

If you don't have an explanation, no need to waste your time.

pitabread · Sep 26, 2018

mark kennedy said:
Round and round the question goes.

This is how knowledge is gained. It starts by asking questions about how things work.

mmksparbud · Sep 26, 2018

Speedwell said:
Neither have you, only named its author.

Which s more than you can.

mark kennedy · Sep 26, 2018

pitabread said:
"Goddidit" isn't an explanation. I'm looking for an explanation for the creation of independent life.

If you don't have an explanation, no need to waste your time.

God didnt do it isnt an explanation either.

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