Creationists - Christ's worst enemies

[Numenor]

As others have already said, if you stick around and have an open mind about God then you may learn something about his creation.

Along with saying that, a monkey doesn't exactly seem like God's image to me.

To start off with, you need to learn that mankind does indeed bear God's image, but not in any physical sense.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Why do young earth creationists hate monkeys and apes? Sure the smell, and can be disgusting sometimes, but they are God's creatures are they not. Isn't all of God's creation in His image?

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave.

We DO behave like animals. Just like animals we; eat, sleep, mate scratch, yawn, belch, are born and die. Where are we different? I guess in some ways we are unlike animals. Afterall, animals generally don't torture and murder their own kind. But that is because we are better then them right?

 

[Ledifni]

Because they don't believe in God.

No, that is what they are, not why. I asked, "If they think it is better to believe even if it's not true, then why don't they believe?" Your answer is, "They don't believe, because they don't believe."

Um. Yes. See, I know they don't believe, that's why you call them "atheists." The question is, how can these alleged atheists you speak of withhold belief in God, and yet think that withholding belief is a bad idea whether or not God exists? Are you saying that they deliberately and knowingly do that which they know to be wrong, harmful, and counterproductive?

 

[Ledifni]

Do you have your eye on any other groups, or is it just the Christians that scare you?

It may seem very unfair to you, but yes. Just the Christians.

You see, it's only the Christians and nobody else that have gleefully hacked away at my rights in this country because their pastor told them it was bad, m'kay.

Not all or even most Christians. But when the only quick way to distinguish between an evil Christian and a good Christian is to know them personally, my immediate survival instinct is to fear and mistrust all Christians until I do know them personally.

The problem is, it's the evil Christians who are rapidly gaining power over our nation. I have no doubt whatsoever that if they thought they could get away with it, Messrs. Dobson and Robertson and associates would not hesitate to put homosexuals, at least, in concentration camps (though, of course, they wouldn't call them concentration camps). I would be unsurprised to find them willing to do the same to nonbelievers as well.

 

[Ledifni]

yes 99%, isnt it unfortunate, apparently you think by twisting my words in very slight amounts you will change my opinion, listen, scientists are often times biased, and stuck to their theory. Im not going to pretend I know how they all ended up believing evolution but thats what happened. But please consider the possibility that they are wrong, even if they are 99%. Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao.

Did it? Have you ever asked a biologist whether the Theory of Evolution implies that we should act as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao acted? Answer: it does not. Social Darwinism is a completely different set of ideas that have nothing to do with Darwin and everything to do with racism and elitism. This is yet another of the lies you've been told about evolution. I think that you should at least consider the possibility that you've been lied to.

Along with saying that, a monkey doesn't exactly seem like God's image to me. We aren't exactly eating bananas, eating bugs off each others fur or walking on our fore limbs either. Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave.

Sparrows don't eat bananas, eat bugs off each other's fur, or walk on their forelimbs. Aren't they animals?

Different animals behave in different ways. When we say we are "animals," we are merely saying, "humans are multicellular organisms with the ability to move within and respond to their environments, and who consume other organisms to survive." This is all true. However, it does not imply anything about our nature, our behavior, or our spiritual origin. It merely describes our physical bodies as animal bodies, which they are. Whether or not the ToE is accurate, our physical bodies display all of the characteristics that define animals.

Humans are far more than just a beast. Along those lines, if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.

I don't know. But clearly, that is what happened. The evidence admits virtually no doubt. If God exists, I would like to think that he wouldn't create a universe specifically designed to make us think evolution happened when it did not. And if God created the world in six days without using evolution, then that is what he did -- created a universe designed to deceive us as to his methods.

 

[Ledifni]

Ow, and darwin never showed it was correct, at the time there were many who opposed him, and many who still do. His book, though I have not read it and should to get the other side, I will admit that. In no way proved everything was wrong, merely offered an atheistic alternative. Which seems more and more impossible every year.

Kevin, Darwin was a Christian all his life, until the day he died. He never presented an "atheistic alternative." He never implied, or meant to imply, that evolution has anything to do with atheism. And the fact that most modern scientists believe in God and accept evolution just goes to show that evolution is quite clearly not "atheistic."

 

[Schroeder]

Apparently, your personal relationship with God enables you to make judgements with no knowledge of a person. You have no knowledge of me, other than perhaps a couple of posts, yet you are perfectly comfortable making a post that is insulting as well as untrue. Way to go...another great argument for atheism.

Its nice how you make such a broad statement with out saying how i did judge you. and no this post was not meant directly to you, sorry i should have said this. it was meant to the broad audience of people who continue to try to bash christianity when they have no clue what it really means to be one. I did not call you anything so i dont see your point. It was one post you said wow. I took it as you suggesting i was way wrong. or foolish. If it is insulting sorry but it is the truth and only what non christians do. And besides it hard to not insult in this topic, the views are so different. Insults are calling people names like children do not disagreeing though many take it that way.

 

[nvxplorer]

No, that is what they are, not why. I asked, "If they think it is better to believe even if it's not true, then why don't they believe?" Your answer is, "They don't believe, because they don't believe."

Um. Yes. See, I know they don't believe, that's why you call them "atheists." The question is, how can these alleged atheists you speak of withhold belief in God, and yet think that withholding belief is a bad idea whether or not God exists? Are you saying that they deliberately and knowingly do that which they know to be wrong, harmful, and counterproductive?

If I may...

To the atheist, belief isn't a switch that can be turned on and off at will. The atheist demands proof or a logical argument before accepting something as being true.

Just as you and I can witness bird flight, and wish we had the same capability, an atheist can do the same with a theist. It's about the ability to accept the existence of God on faith alone. Personally, I do not envy theists, but I can understand how an atheist may see the bliss-like state of a theist as beneficial to the constant need for scientific explanation.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Setters are still setters. Chihuahuas are still chihuahuas. I've never seen a Great Dane come out of a chihuahua! have you?

I've never seen an accurate statement about evolution come out of Carico, but in theory, it must be possible...

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

...[Darwin] merely offered an atheistic alternative.

Darwin was a Christian when he wrote Origin of Species and he even references a Creator in the text:

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

Source: http://www.tbi.univie.ac.at/Origin/origin_15.html

The theory of evolution is not an atheistic alternative, even though it can make a god concept seem rather superfluous. The single most pervasive misconception about evolution is that it is equal to atheism, and that is false, demonstrated not only by Darwin's own words but by the Christians who accept this scientific explanation.

We DO behave like animals. Just like animals we; eat, sleep, mate scratch, yawn, belch, are born and die.

I know I've probably said it before, but it's interesting how much effort is put forth toward disguising the fact that we are animals, and quite like them.

We smell like some other animals, otherwise we wouldn't be using deodorant to disguise that fact. We are hairy like some other animals, otherwise we wouldn't be so persistent in trying to remove that hair regularly (e.g., shaving). Everything from our bodies' processes to our bodies' composition to our innate behaviors is quite animal-like. To deny that seems to be an exercise in futility.

 

[nvxplorer]

I know I've probably said it before, but it's interesting how much effort is put forth toward disguising the fact that we are animals, and quite like them.

We smell like some other animals, otherwise we wouldn't be using deodorant to disguise that fact. We are hairy like some other animals, otherwise we wouldn't be so persistent in trying to remove that hair regularly (e.g., shaving). Everything from our bodies' processes to our bodies' composition to our innate behaviors is quite animal-like. To deny that seems to be an exercise in futility.

When one is led to believe he is sinful by nature, it's understandable why he would develop a severe inferiority complex. (Couple that with US pop-culture, the pressure to "succeed," and the effect is only multiplied.)

Thus, the desire to feel exalted, special, God's own little creature, the image of a deity, etc., must be very strong in many. This is also understandable, and this particular weakness is preyed upon by all - from preachers to Madison Avenue executives.

The tactic of demoralizing someone using the concept of original sin, and then lifting that person up with the concept of special creation, is actually quite brilliant, though entirely mundane.

 

[tocis]

This is actually a good example of the OP. Despite having been told numerous times, Matthew777 persists in perpetuating falsehoods like this. All it does is make creationists look like liars. I can't believe that's good for christianity as a whole.

Yup, exactly my point. Oh boy, to even consider that he did boggles the mind.

Me: "Please don't do this if you want to be taken seriously!"
Matt: *jumps at the first opportunity to make a fool of himself*

Well, probably not really the first opportunity - the thread got so big so fast that I'm sure I overlooked some postings - but you know what I mean.

 

[tocis]

I'm new here and dont know everything your talking about, but i am a creationist and i see nothing wrong with it.

Yes, there is nothing wrong with the mere act of believing in creation of the universe by whatever deity.

After all, the evidence for evolution lacks and has had no

This is where the "wrong" starts.
<irony> Thanks for yet another example of what I ranted about in the OP. </irony>

I have not accidentally cut off the rest of what you wrote. Actually, I pretty much stopped reading your posting after that "no"... because you did the exact thing that (bleep)es me off.

 

[tocis]

listen, scientists are often times biased, and stuck to their theory.

Yeah sure. This is, I assume, why the best way for a scientist to become a Nobel laureate is to successfully overturn a current opinion/theory/whatever of science. The "biased" scientists surely silence the thinkers good by giving them that greatest reward of all...

*bangs head against wall*

 

[tocis]

Ow, and darwin never showed it was correct, at the time there were many who opposed him, and many who still do.

Wrong. Utterly wrong. Except for the US, creationism with all its nonsense isn't even known at all outside the few small fundamentalist cults. I invite you to a test. Come to Germany, ask some random passersby on the street what they think about "the evolution/creation controversy". I'll be cautious and assume that "only" 99.99 % of them will look at you like you just beamed down from the Enterprise and ask "Creatio-WHAT?".

You are aware that there's just a little bit more to the earth than the US, aren't you?

 

[Athanasian Creed]

Why do young earth creationists hate monkeys and apes? Sure the smell, and can be disgusting sometimes, but they are God's creatures are they not. Isn't all of God's creation in His image?

Where did you get that from ??

The answer is NO - only MANKIND is created in God's image !!

Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


Ray

 

[Dark_Lite]

You are aware that there's just a little bit more to the earth than the US, aren't you?

There is?

 

[tocis]

There is?

I'm afraid so

 

[nvxplorer]

Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

Actually, that translation is incorrect. The Hebrew Elohim, though a plural form, refers to a singular deity. It's convenient for trinitarians to misinterpret this word, but the original Hebrew meaning is clear, and read as singular by Jews. This is just another example of the translated Bible not being inerrant.