Creationists - Christ's worst enemies

[Linux98]

With every passing day, I find it harder and harder to keep myself from feeling nothing but utter hate and contempt for all of christianity. While I know that it's not fair, while I know that most christians are okay, while I know that it's only some fanatics who taint the whole religion, the sheer amount of disgust within me - directed at the arrogance and dishonesty of the fanatics - threatens to overwhelm me.

What is that these Creationist Christians do that makes you so emotional? You used the words "hate" and "contempt." Are those feelings justified?

If I were an atheist I wouldn't care a wit about what Christians did or taught in their churches. It sounds as though you have assigned yourself a mission to make everyone as smart and as honest as you. If I were to take a guess I would say that the source of your frustration is your personal expectation about how other people should think and act. Take a vacation from Germany and get some sun on the Mediterranean for goodness sakes.

 

[Jetgirl]

I doubt that Creationists did anything to damage the image of Christ ever. For 1900 only Creationists were Christians and vice versa. Then Darwin made his theory and people started turning on the Bible. And look where it got us. World Wars, diseases, pain, and social discord.

LOL

Two words for you, my man: Bubonic Plague.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

What is that these Creationist Christians do that makes you so emotional? You used the words "hate" and "contempt." Are those feelings justified?

If I were an atheist I wouldn't care a wit about what Christians did or taught in their churches. It sounds as though you have assigned yourself a mission to make everyone as smart and as honest as you. If I were to take a guess I would say that the source of your frustration is your personal expectation about how other people should think and act. Take a vacation from Germany and get some sun on the Mediterranean for goodness sakes.

What creationists do that earns so much hatred is not believing what they believe - that's fine. They can believe whatever they like, and I couldn't care less, even if believing it requires self-deceit. What they do, however, is try to force that belief on everyone else. They're not content with believing; they want EVERYONE to believe as they do. And they try to do it by legislation, forcing schools to teach creationism, home-schooling so their children aren't 'exposed' to science, and so forth. It's harmful not just to them, but to their entire community, particularly their children.

 

[Linux98]

1) What creationists do that earns so much hatred is not believing what they believe - that's fine. They can believe whatever they like, and I couldn't care less, even if believing it requires self-deceit. What they do, however, is try to force that belief on everyone else. They're not content with believing; 2) they want EVERYONE to believe as they do. And they try to do it by legislation, forcing schools to teach creationism, home-schooling so their children aren't 'exposed' to science, and so forth. It's harmful not just to them, but to their entire community, 3) particularly their children.

1) There's that word "hatred" again.

2) I live in the United States, and over here we have lots of people trying to convince us to believe one way or another. I find advertising jingles running through my mind more than I would like. Maybe that's why I'm so laid back about the idea of people attempting to influence other people.

3) Clarify this if you really mean it....you are angry at Christians because they don't want to educate their children the way you want to educate them. But then on the other hand you want to complain that they are trying to make everyone believe the way they do....

 

[Electric Sceptic]

1) There's that word "hatred" again.

I used 'hatred' only because that was what the original poster used. I wouldn't say that I hate creationists.

Clarify this if you really mean it....you are angry at Christians because they don't want to educate their children the way you want to educate them. But then on the other hand you want to complain that they are trying to make everyone believe the way they do....

I'm angry at creationists (not christians) for lying to everybody, including their children, and thus harming them.

 

[Carico]

The fact of the matter is that it doesn't affect God one bit what anyone believes about how the world was created. He told us through the bible how we were created and reality conforms to the biblical account perfectly. So hating God or hating creationists is completely irrelevant. What's relevant is what's true, period. People can continue to make up whatever story they want about how man was created, but it doesn't alter what's true one iota. The truth cannot be changed, but people's opinons sure can be!

 

[Dark_Lite]

Carico, are you Heidi from ChristianForums.net?

 

[Carico]

Carico, are you Heidi from ChristianForums.net?

Yup. I don't remember you there.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Yup. I don't remember you there.

You are? Oh joy. I don't post there. I don't want to post there.

Well, at least now I know what you really think about my religion.

Oh if only the rules didn't bind you here... You could have a field day.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The fact of the matter is that it doesn't affect God one bit what anyone believes about how the world was created.

That much is true, and something which Creationists and Theistic Evolutionists should keep in their minds.

BUT... Jesus did say we shall know them by their fruits, and Creationists have shown at the very least, a stunning lack of even the basic knowledge of things they claim to be experts on: Fields of biology, zoology, geology, cosmology, astronomy, etc...

Now, rememeber Augustine's famous quote: When an unbeliever hears a Christian spout nonsense about things which are well known and accepted, what credibility does that Christian have left in matters of the unseen?

He told us through the bible how we were created and reality conforms to the biblical account perfectly.

You're either referring to a nonliteral account or you insist on proving Augustine correct; either way, I thank you.

So hating God or hating creationists is completely irrelevant. What's relevant is what's true, period.

How fortunate that one need not do the former to do the latter.

More fortunate that one need not hate creationists to see them for what they really are.

People can continue to make up whatever story they want about how man was created, but it doesn't alter what's true one iota. The truth cannot be changed, but people's opinons sure can be!

In this, we agree.

 

[pantsman52]

The fact of the matter is that it doesn't affect God one bit what anyone believes about how the world was created. He told us through the bible how we were created and reality conforms to the biblical account perfectly. So hating God or hating creationists is completely irrelevant. What's relevant is what's true, period. People can continue to make up whatever story they want about how man was created, but it doesn't alter what's true one iota. The truth cannot be changed, but people's opinons sure can be!

Great way to avoid answering what has been presented to you

 

[Pete Harcoff]

I doubt that Creationists did anything to damage the image of Christ ever. For 1900 only Creationists were Christians and vice versa. Then Darwin made his theory and people started turning on the Bible. And look where it got us. World Wars, diseases, pain, and social discord.

Yeah, because war, disease, pain and social discord NEVER existed before the 1800's. </sarcasm>

 

[Pete Harcoff]

I agree with the OP to an extent. But I don't entirely blame all creationists. Who I blame are the rabble-rousers who stir up the rest. After all, many creationists are born and raised that way and simply don't know any different.

I remember talking to one creationist and they said they never knew anyone who didn't believe in creationism. The flip side is I don't know anyone who does believe in creationism. In fact, I sometimes have trouble believing creationists are for real based on some of the stuff written here. It's so utterly contradictory to everything I see in real life that it takes on a surreal quality. So I can see how some creationists might react the same when confronted with people who accept mainstream science.

 

[MidnightBlue]

Tocis:
I certainly hope that you can find your way back to Christ. Pagan mumbo jumbo has no answers.

Oh, that's good. The OP talks about how upset he is by the dishonesty and arrogance of some Christians, and you respond by calling his religion mumbo jumbo. Nothing arrogant about that.

To tell you the truth, I find it hard to disagree with the OP. Some of the posts on this list seem to be deliberately trying to prove his point.

All I can tell you, tocis, is that all religions include arrogant and dishonest people, and that American Christianity is not Christianity at its best. I'm sorry. Please don't allow our arrogance and intolerance to make you arrogant and intolerant.

 

[A4C]

A Christians works will be burnt in fire . The fire itself determines what burns and what remains ie is it wood hay and stubble or is it gold silver and precious stones.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

doubt that Creationists did anything to damage the image of Christ ever. For 1900 only Creationists were Christians and vice versa. Then Darwin made his theory and people started turning on the Bible. And look where it got us. World Wars, diseases, pain, and social discord.

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Yeah, the good old days before Darwin. Ahh the whole world singing together in perfect harmony. No wars, no diseases, no pain or social discord. Heck, I would have loved to live in western russia when Napoleon came to visit.

 

[Nathan Poe]

A Christians works will be burnt in fire . The fire itself determines what burns and what remains ie is it wood hay and stubble or is it gold silver and precious stones.

100 blessings to the first person who can show me an ounce of relevence in this post.

 

[A4C]

100 blessings to the first person who can show me an ounce of relevence in this post.

Perhaps he means that not comprimising on the Word of God is more important than offending a person by it

 

[Linux98]

I'm angry at creationists (not christians) for lying to everybody, including their children, and thus harming them.

Let me take this from an atheist viewpoint. We live on Earth for about 80+/- years and then we die never to have a conscious thought again. That is a painful thought for any human to accept because except for a few odd cases humans have a natural instinct to want to live.

Consequently, it is better to live a short life in bliss thinking that there is a God and that you will be able to live forever in a world without sin. If a person lives his whole life and never embraces science then I say so what? His final destination is a grave for his body and lack of existence for his consciousness. Hence, no harm can be done in living a life based on the fairy tale that God created the world in 6 literal days.

On the flip side, living a life knowing that you are 100% assured of death and eventual lack of existence is not exactly a heart warming thought. Only the truly psychotic take solice in the thought of ceasing to exist.

 

[A4C]

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For me, the scary thing is that there is an evil (if you will) element seething below the surface of the fundamentalist christian community. I have no doubt in my mind that if they were to achieve the political/governmental power they crave and with which creationism is a part, they would unleash untold horrors upon this country and by extension, the world. For me, this is why I hate and fear them. Because I know what they will do.

It wont be long before Christians and Jews will not be in this world and there will be another doctrine that will predominat world wide. I think you will then wish that the Christians did take over and you had been counted amongst them.