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Creationists - Christ's worst enemies

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Heya,

after just having been reminded of what will follow in another thread, I think it might be a good idea to openly announce this here. I'm very likely not the first one who does this, but anyway.

(Disclaimer: Any harsh words to follow are meant to hit, not all christians, but fundamentalists and creationists.)

I am now 35 years of age. For most of this time (until two years ago, to be specific) I was a German protestant christian... and for German "standards", I definitely was more fervent than most of my fellow Germans. Among other things, I was one of the comparatively few people who joined the local group of the "German St. John's ambulance service" for ethical reasons (wanting to help others, partly because of the example that Jesus supposedly was for us all) instead of just being able to get into a number of pop festivals et cetera for free (as long as I'm "on duty" there, as a medic). I was even one of the very few among my fellow medics who memorized the official prayer of the "Order of the knights of St. John of the hospital of Jerusalem", the goo' ol' order of the knights hospitaller which built up, and sponsors, the ambulance service.

Then, in early summer 2003, I deconverted to Asatru, the pre-christian faith of my Germanic ancestors. The circumstances of my deconversion are quite irrelevant to the context of this posting, though if you really want to know, just ask me. Anyway, I left christianity behind without any bitter feelings. I just no longer believed, but that was about it. I considered christians to be basically ok...people like me, just people who believe something I no longer believe.

Then, some two months after my deconversion, I came into contact with US-style "christianity" and the fundamentalist cults, including creationism. It was almost child's play for me to see through the painfully obvious lies and other dishonesties propagated by them ("evolutionists say that we are just animals"? Gee, funny, in all my biology lessons I never ever heard anything like that!). Feeling driven to help enforce justice and truth, I quickly joined the ranks of those opposing this form of fanaticism. To use a parable for a moment, I severed countless heads of that hydra, only to see two new heads growing back. Especially, I saw that the most common tactic of creationists is "If the unbelievers soundly refute my claims as nonsense, I'll just disappear for some days or weeks and then re-publish them. Sooner or later it will work!". In other words, supreme arrogance.

Bottom line? Well:

With every passing day, I find it harder and harder to keep myself from feeling nothing but utter hate and contempt for all of christianity. While I know that it's not fair, while I know that most christians are okay, while I know that it's only some fanatics who taint the whole religion, the sheer amount of disgust within me - directed at the arrogance and dishonesty of the fanatics - threatens to overwhelm me. I am close to contemplating leaving this site, lest I some day start to blindly lash out at everything christian, hitting far too many innocents in the process. And while shortly after my deconversion, it was simply "unlikely" that I could ever reconvert, it's now utterly impossible.

Think about that, you creationists. You can believe whatever you want, but if you want to convince/convert someone else, live your faith instead of just claiming to do so. Specifically, be humble and honest. Be a good example, just like your Jesus supposedly did. This would have more power in and of itself than any amount of regurgitations of PRATTs.

*climbs off soapbox*

Okay, that's it. Let the shells come in now.
 
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Sounds about right to me. I occasionally try to back away from this site for much the same reason - at other boards, I frequently defend those of other faiths, Christian included, and have learned respect for other metaphysical outlooks. I ended up making at least one good e-buddy whom I talk to daily who is protestant, and half of what we talk about is science.

But the volume of stupid that is this message board can be truly disheartening. On occasion, I literally find myself having pure contempt and loathing for Christianity in the abstract - I don't know why, and I can cognitively reconcile the fact that most Christians aren't like this.

But the mind-boggling arrogance and dishonesty of your average creationist here seems to overcome that logic, and I find myself being very dismissive towards religious people and their paranoid superstitions.

I don't want to be like that, and I've actually contemplated leaving here in general, as my perception of Christianity, at times, really suffers from reading allegedly Christian posts on this board.
 
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Sounds about right to me. I occasionally try to back away from this site for much the same reason - at other boards, I frequently defend those of other faiths, Christian included, and have learned respect for other metaphysical outlooks. I ended up making at least one good e-buddy whom I talk to daily who is protestant, and half of what we talk about is science.

But the volume of stupid that is this message board can be truly disheartening. On occasion, I literally find myself having pure contempt and loathing for Christianity in the abstract - I don't know why, and I can cognitively reconcile the fact that most Christians aren't like this.

But the mind-boggling arrogance and dishonesty of your average creationist here seems to overcome that logic, and I find myself being very dismissive towards religious people and their paranoid superstitions.

I don't want to be like that, and I've actually contemplated leaving here in general, as my perception of Christianity, at times, really suffers from reading allegedly Christian posts on this board.

dont give up the fight. all that is required for the forces of darkness and superstition to win is for good men to do nothing.
 
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But the volume of stupid that is this message board can be truly disheartening.

Try going to www.christianforums.NET the evolution/creation debate there reaches proportions of stupidity that make this place seem refreshing.
 
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How ignorant is this. Your not even a Christian so why would you care what they believe. If they lived good honest lives or what ever you expect of them it would not change your mind. You just wish to seek out the bad or the ideas you dislike so you feel better about what you believe. this kind of bla bla bla is useless except to inflate your own ideas and hate against christians, you put it in a way to bash the truth but not completly because you have to admit there are good christians that are true to the belief and if you looked to hard at what they live and teach you would have to consider it as the TRUTH, which you probably would rather not do.
 
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I can relate to the frustration in the OP. I've often said the the best arguments for atheism often come from the mouths and the writings of believers. There have been many times when I've had to take breaks from this forum and others. Times when I've felt that I simply couldn't be tolerant and found myself having that attitude I despise...one of arrogant judgement.

On the other hand, just today I've seen some posts that give me hope. For example, a Christian in the GA forum posted an eloquent understanding of the atheist viewpoint or some of the Christian posters in here valiantly defending reason and fighting the good fight against nonsense.

Yet still...sometimes, oftentimes, I end up with my blood pressure pounding in my ears and my eyes rolling back in my head. Sometimes I wonder if reading and posting here really does any good. Sometimes I know it does. Sometimes I think I'm just a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
 
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Schroeder said:
How ignorant is this. Your not even a Christian so why would you care what they believe. If they lived good honest lives or what ever you expect of them it would not change your mind. You just wish to seek out the bad or the ideas you dislike so you feel better about what you believe. this kind of bla bla bla is useless except to inflate your own ideas and hate against christians, you put it in a way to bash the truth but not completly because you have to admit there are good christians that are true to the belief and if you looked to hard at what they live and teach you would have to consider it as the TRUTH, which you probably would rather not do.

Wow. :eek:
 
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Manic Depressive Mouse said:
I honestly couldn't believe the garbage she was writing. I mean, seriously.

Why don't you invite her over here and see what we can do with her?
If you want to have a discussion with her, then i can let her know of course.
Just let me know what i should forward to her.
 
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mikeynov said:
Tell her to hop on by if she wants to see her claims put to some real testing.

Defenitely. It's almost painful to read what shes writing. She thinks that, if evolution were true, modern day apes would evolve into humans?
 
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Manic Depressive Mouse said:
I honestly couldn't believe the garbage she was writing. I mean, seriously.

Why don't you invite her over here and see what we can do with her?

I'm here! Which garbage? you mean the garbage that humans have produced humans since the beginning of recorded history? Or the garbage that apes have been breeding apes? So when was the last time you saw anything other than an ape coming from an ape or a human coming from a human except in your imagination? :eek:
 
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Carico said:
I'm here! Which garbage? you mean the garbage that humans have produced humans since the beginning of recorded history? Or the garbage that apes have been breeding apes? So when was the last time you saw anything other than an ape coming from an ape or a human coming from a human except in your imagination? :eek:

Let me guess, you believe that if evolution were true, modern apes would be giving birth to humans, right?
 
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pantsman52 said:
Defenitely. It's almost painful to read what shes writing. She thinks that, if evolution were true, modern day apes would evolve into humans?

Sorry, but you have completely misrepresented me. I am challenging the notion that one species can breed another species at any time, period. Reality shows that each species reproduces itself. That means that each species breeds its own kind. So, where is there evidence in recorded history that apes have bred anything but apes, dogs, anything but dogs, birds anything but birds. If they have bred a different species, then how can it be called reproduction? :eek:

In answer to this question, I have heard evolutionists change their stories many times. Some have said that humans are not a different species from apes. So why are we not called apes today & why are apes in zoos & we aren't?

Another answer I have heard is that we are different from apes. So which is it? If we are different than apes, then this contradicts the process or reproduction and the reality that apes are still breeding apes & not another species today.

It also doesn't explain how the DNA of another species can get into the DNA of an ape. Oh I know that evolutionists use the word "mutation" which means that cell characteristics can become damaged or changed. But how can they spontaneously develop new characteristics like speech, cognition, the ability to analyze, build buildings, etc.? Just luck?:scratch: In that case, why not just let cancer cells mutate into healthy ones? :eek:

If it is just luck, then how did the offspring from 2 apes happen to find another offspring from another pair of apes in order to mate and produce a homo sapiens? More luck?

But since this seems astronomical, (which it is), then evolutionists have come up with another explanation with is that one ape bred with a "missing link" (although they can't describe it because it's still missing, nor can they explain how it got here either, or if it had its own species, which they don't know either because it's missing) and together they produced a "homonid".

If any of these theories was true, then they wouldn't need the another one! But more than one theory by evolutionists is proof positive that they don't know what's true. It's all guesswork.

But the biblical account of creation conforms completely to the way humans & animals haved mated and produced offspring since the beginning of recorded history. Evolution does not. The truth can only be found in reality, not in the imagination. Sorry. ;)
 
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Wait, you're Heidi? I thought the gross misrepresentations and ignorance of the ToE sounded familiar.

For anyone who wants a laugh, go to the tail thread. I've provided her with everything shes asked to see, and shes trying to backtrack and say that this would mean we are de-evolving.
 
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Late_Cretaceous said:
You obviously have no idea about how the theory of evolution is formulated. What you are saying is literally garbage. It is meaningless and nonsensical.

Reality is garbage and nonsensical? Maybe to you, but not to me. It's obvious that you don't have answers to my questions. If you did, you would have a completely rational answer, but since you don't, you replace it with an attack instead. Sounds like conviction to me. ;)
 
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