Dark_Lite said:
dont get me wrong, one of my good friends is christian, but I couldnt believe the stuff i've actually seen, get reinforced by nonsense here. So sad
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Dark_Lite said:Stereotypes are generally a bad thing you know.
This is actually a good example of the OP. Despite having been told numerous times, Matthew777 persists in perpetuating falsehoods like this. All it does is make creationists look like liars. I can't believe that's good for christianity as a whole.Matthew777 said:The moral and philosophical implications of Darwinism are inseperable from the theory itself.
Sounds like Fred Phelps' handiwork. Phelps is a psychopath, and most Christians don't associate with him. If you're interested in seeing the breadth of this man's hatred, type "Westboro Baptist Church" into Google. Out of curiosity, where is your high school located?Halruaa said:To be honest, from my own personal experiences, i've only been scared by christians. The most memorable experience happened years ago, when I was back in high school, one day upon ariving to the campus there was a pack of "religious" people standing across the street protesting homosexuals. I have no idea why they were there, they were only there for that one day, but they were there holding signs that had such Jesus loving phrases as: "God hates (insert bad homosexual term here)", and "(insert bad homosexual term here)'s will rot in hell".
This does get a little old. *yawn*Kevin Ray said:I'm new here and dont know everything your talking about, but i am a creationist and i see nothing wrong with it. After all, the evidence for evolution lacks and has had no substantial evidence in its favor, but merely opinions, lies, brazen defiance of truth. Ahorrible event that seems to move over the globe like the shadow of the night. Evolution has plenty of arguments of humans being mere "glorified animals" and yes that according to evolution is what they teach. Didnt you go through human evolution, you know the whole monkey part and lesser mammals. If saying we are apes isn't saying that the homo sapien race is animals, than what is. Anyways, this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.
Too much wrongness.Kevin Ray said:I'm new here and dont know everything your talking about, but i am a creationist and i see nothing wrong with it. After all, the evidence for evolution lacks and has had no substantial evidence in its favor, but merely opinions, lies, brazen defiance of truth. Ahorrible event that seems to move over the globe like the shadow of the night. Evolution has plenty of arguments of humans being mere "glorified animals" and yes that according to evolution is what they teach. Didnt you go through human evolution, you know the whole monkey part and lesser mammals. If saying we are apes isn't saying that the homo sapien race is animals, than what is. Anyways, this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.
Welcome to the forums - I hope you stick around, for you might learn something about evolutionary theory and science. I say this not to attempt to insult you, but it's obvious you've been lied to about evolution, and you've accepted those lies (for whatever reason). Here's a good place to learn some facts, instead.Kevin Ray said:I'm new here and dont know everything your talking about, but i am a creationist and i see nothing wrong with it.
Sorry, but this is false. There is an immense amount of evidence for evolution - enough to convince in excess of 99% of the world's scientists over the last hundred years or so. Think about it - who is more likely to know more about a scientific theory and the evidence for it, your preacher/teacher/Sunday School teacher/parents, or 99% of the world's scientists?Kevin Ray said:After all, the evidence for evolution lacks and has had no substantial evidence in its favor, but merely opinions, lies, brazen defiance of truth.
Horrible? I suppose so...nature can be pretty horrible. Unfortunately, that's just the way things are.Kevin Ray said:Ahorrible event that seems to move over the globe like the shadow of the night.
Not "glorified animals", but "animals". Humans are animals, the same as every other species of animal on the planet. Not only that, but we are mammals, the same as every other mammal on the planet, and apes, the same as every other ape on the planet. Now, having said that, this does not say ANYTHING about how humans should behave or what they are capable of.Kevin Ray said:Evolution has plenty of arguments of humans being mere "glorified animals" and yes that according to evolution is what they teach.
We are apes, and animals.Kevin Ray said:Didnt you go through human evolution, you know the whole monkey part and lesser mammals. If saying we are apes isn't saying that the homo sapien race is animals, than what is.
Fundamentalism is a little more complex than that. Creationism is a religious belief which has been around a long while, and which virtually everyone held until science (led by Darwin) showed that it was incorrect.Kevin Ray said:Anyways, this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.
nvxplorer said:Sounds like Fred Phelps' handiwork. Phelps is a psychopath, and most Christians don't associate with him. If you're interested in seeing the breadth of this man's hatred, type "Westboro Baptist Church" into Google. Out of curiosity, where is your high school located?
Yep, Phelps travels around the country picketing gays. He's a sick, sick individual. Did you see his new mission: God Hates Sweden. According to Phelps, the Asian tsunami was punishment from God directed at all the Swedish tourists vacationing in the area. It's a completely insane idea. Just goes to show you that mental health is not prerequisite to financial gain and following.Halruaa said:south florida, miami.
Of course, that incident happened years ago, if I had to guess, maybe 4 years ago. These people were standing across the street, must of been about 30 of them. Mothers, and their children wearing T-shirts that said which church they were from. Holding their hateful signs, really made my blood boil. There were police there as well, to keep the students from crossing the street and picking a fight(believe me, they wanted too and I did too). This was early in the morning, before classes started.
I did the search you recommended, and some pictures from their site are almost identical to what I saw.
********edit..I just did a search on their sight, and found a flier asking to picket my high school in Jan of 2001(4 years ago, like I guessed). Im 100% positive now, it was these people.
A quick quote from the flier
December 10, 2001 NEWS RELEASE
WBC to picket Flanagan High School, Pembroke Pines, FL, Florida PTA, GLSEN, CDC and PFLAG -- Jan. 2 -- in religious protest and warning.
nvxplorer said:Yep, Phelps travels around the country picketing gays. He's a sick, sick individual. Did you see his new mission: God Hates Sweden. According to Phelps, the Asian tsunami was punishment from God directed at all the Swedish tourists vacationing in the area. It's a completely insane idea. Just goes to show you that mental health is not prerequisite to financial gain and following.
yes 99%, isnt it unfortunate, apparently you think by twisting my words in very slight amounts you will change my opinion, listen, scientists are often times biased, and stuck to their theory. Im not going to pretend I know how they all ended up believing evolution but thats what happened. But please consider the possibility that they are wrong, even if they are 99%. Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao. Fun stuff.Along with saying that, a monkey doesn't exactly seem like God's image to me. We aren't exactly eating bananas, eating bugs off each others fur or walking on our fore limbs either. Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave. Humans are far more than just a beast. Along those lines, if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.Electric Sceptic said:Welcome to the forums - I hope you stick around, for you might learn something about evolutionary theory and science. I say this not to attempt to insult you, but it's obvious you've been lied to about evolution, and you've accepted those lies (for whatever reason). Here's a good place to learn some facts, instead.
Sorry, but this is false. There is an immense amount of evidence for evolution - enough to convince in excess of 99% of the world's scientists over the last hundred years or so. Think about it - who is more likely to know more about a scientific theory and the evidence for it, your preacher/teacher/Sunday School teacher/parents, or 99% of the world's scientists?
Horrible? I suppose so...nature can be pretty horrible. Unfortunately, that's just the way things are.
Not "glorified animals", but "animals". Humans are animals, the same as every other species of animal on the planet. Not only that, but we are mammals, the same as every other mammal on the planet, and apes, the same as every other ape on the planet. Now, having said that, this does not say ANYTHING about how humans should behave or what they are capable of.
We are apes, and animals.
Fundamentalism is a little more complex than that. Creationism is a religious belief which has been around a long while, and which virtually everyone held until science (led by Darwin) showed that it was incorrect.
This does get a little old. *yawn*Kevin Ray said:yes 99%, isnt it unfortunate, apparently you think by twisting my words in very slight amounts you will change my opinion, listen, scientists are often times biased, and stuck to their theory. Im not going to pretend I know how they all ended up believing evolution but thats what happened. But please consider the possibility that they are wrong, even if they are 99%. Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao. Fun stuff.Along with saying that, a monkey doesn't exactly seem like God's image to me. We aren't exactly eating bananas, eating bugs off each others fur or walking on our fore limbs either. Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave. Humans are far more than just a beast. Along those lines, if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.
Kevin Ray said:Im not going to pretend I know how they all ended up believing evolution but thats what happened.
But please consider the possibility that they are wrong, even if they are 99%.
Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao.
Fun stuff.Along with saying that, a monkey doesn't exactly seem like God's image to me. We aren't exactly eating bananas, eating bugs off each others fur or walking on our fore limbs either.
Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave.
Humans are far more than just a beast. Along those lines, if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.
If you have to resort to a means such as this to prove your claims, then your claims have no base. I seem to recall that there have been incredibly terrible things done in the name of religion in the past. The Crusades come to mind.Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao.
The evolutionary theory says nothing about how we should behave. The fact that we are primates (mammals, and therefore animals) was discussed long before Darwin. Regardless, all animals behave differently. Gorillas behave like gorillas. Dogs act like dogs. Rodents act like rodents. Humans act like humans. The evolutionary theory does NOT claim that humans should act like monkeys.Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave.
No, I dno't. I didn't twist your words at all. I made statements of fact. Whether you like it or not, 99% of the world's scientists, who all know vastly more about science in general and evolutionary theory in particular, say you're wrong.Kevin Ray said:yes 99%, isnt it unfortunate, apparently you think by twisting my words in very slight amounts you will change my opinion
No doubt they are. But to suggest that 99% of them stick to a falsified theory based on their bias alone is absurd.Kevin Ray said:listen, scientists are often times biased, and stuck to their theory
I DO know how they all ended up believing evolution. They examined the evidence.Kevin Ray said:Im not going to pretend I know how they all ended up believing evolution but thats what happened
I will do that jsut as soon as anyone provides the slightest evidence that they are wrong.Kevin Ray said:But please consider the possibility that they are wrong, even if they are 99%.
No, it didn't.Kevin Ray said:Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao. Fun stuff.
Who said it should be?Kevin Ray said:Along with saying that, a monkey doesn't exactly seem like God's image to me.
So what?Kevin Ray said:We aren't exactly eating bananas, eating bugs off each others fur or walking on our fore limbs either.
We DO behave like them. We eat, drink, defecate, fornicate, etc. Those are some of the signs of animals. If you mean why shouldn't we behave like them in ALL ways, why should we? In many ways we are far more advanced than them. That doesn't chagne the fact that we are animals.Kevin Ray said:Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them, afterall, it says alot about how we should behave.
No, we'er not. We're animals. The most intelligent animals, to be sure.Kevin Ray said:Humans are far more than just a beast.
Why wouldn't he? Evolutionary theory wasn't 'manufactured'...it was developed from observing the world around us - what you would call God's creation.Kevin Ray said:those lines, if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.
Yes, there are. They are increasingly demonstrated to be wrong, as 99% (remember them) of the world's scientists demonstrate.Kevin Ray said:Ow, and darwin never showed it was correct, at the time there were many who opposed him, and many who still do.
Haven't read it, huh? Let me guess...you haven't read ANY books on evolutionary theory, have you (and no, creationist books don't count)?Kevin Ray said:His book, though I have not read it and should to get the other side, I will admit that.
No, it didn't. It offered a scientific explanation. It is no more atheistic than gravity.Kevin Ray said:In no way proved everything was wrong, merely offered an atheistic alternative.
It does? Wow, you better let the world's scientists (remember them, the people who've been studying it for decades?) know. It's amazing that laymen, with virtually no scientific knowledge, education or qualifications, no more science than people with degrees who have studied it for decades.Kevin Ray said:Which seems more and more impossible every year.
I've never believed in other than evolution but that doesn't mean that I knew everything there was to know or that I ever will. I feel fairly confident in saying that I know enough to find it to be a highly compelling explanation for the diversity of life on Earth and completely within the evidence. I have to say that I have learned quite a bit about evolution in my time on this forum and it is my hope that you will do the same. In the vast majority of cases, those who strongly resist evolution have been presented with some pretty badly distorted representations of what the theory states.Kevin Ray said:I'm new here and dont know everything your talking about, but i am a creationist and i see nothing wrong with it.
No doubt, this is what you have been told but this is not at all accurate. If the evidence were lacking to support evolution, then scientists eager to see their names in print would be the first to openly refute evolutionary theory. If they could prove the evidence didn't support the theory, the would be propelled to instant stardom among the scientific community as well as certain segments of the religious communities.Kevin Ray said:After all, the evidence for evolution lacks and has had no substantial evidence in its favor, but merely opinions, lies, brazen defiance of truth.
Have you ever considered that the same was thought of heliocentrism for a great many years? There are still people who believe that the Earth is the stationary center of the universe, despite all of the scientific evidence which proves otherwise. They believe because certain verses in the Bible seem to strongly suggest a geocentric universe and they always place the Bible above scientific discovery. Add to those the people who still believe the Earth is flat and we start to get an idea just how far people will go to hold onto beliefs even after they have been shown to be indisputably wrong. When you take a good look at the evidence supporting evolution as well as the length of the list of observed instances of evolution in action, it is perhaps not improper to place creationism with the flat Earth and geocentric universe as ideas which have been thoroughly disproved despite the fact that some still choose to cling to them.Kevin Ray said:A horrible event that seems to move over the globe like the shadow of the night.
As others have pointed out, evolution does not suggest that humans are glorified animals. It shows clearly that we are animals. We tend to look at our accomplishments and our intellect and use these things to lift ourselves to a glorified position above other animals, but in some ways this is simply the demonstration of a self-serving bias. Certainly we do a great many things none of the other animal species can do, but there are also a great many things they can do which we cannot.Kevin Ray said:Evolution has plenty of arguments of humans being mere "glorified animals" and yes that according to evolution is what they teach.
You offer the appearance of being almost shocked by the suggestion that humans are animals. I find it somewhat sad that people can so completely ignore the evidence before them to instead adopt the suggestions of ancient peoples in their preserved writings. We are animals. There is absolutely no biological classification which places us in any other category.Kevin Ray said:Didnt you go through human evolution, you know the whole monkey part and lesser mammals. If saying we are apes isn't saying that the homo sapien race is animals, than what is.
I agree that a great many people have warped what they read in the Bible in order to retain their religious beliefs while not attempting to dispute the overwhelming evidence that evolutionary theory is correct. Perhaps this should be compelling as to the level of validity offered to evolution even by those who believe in a book, they believe contains God's word, which clearly states otherwise. I applaud you for the fact that you aren't attempting to sit on the fence and adopt a belief in evolution while distorting the creation account in the Bible to try to fit. But I think it's worth your time to learn more about evolution as well as creationism and the evidence for and against each.Kevin Ray said:Anyways, this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.
Hitler and those who followed him and his beliefs despite the overwhelming evidence against those beliefs, lead to the mass murder of millions. The same goes for your other examples. When people follow beliefs out of loyalty rather than evidence, the result is rarely positive. At he very least such practices lead to prolonged ignorance.Kevin Ray said:Evolution did lead to mass murderings of millions, ex. hitler, stalin, mao.
Perhaps the problem is in how you define the behavior of animals. We live in social groups like other primates. We eat, get diseases, struggle to survive, breed and raise young, display distinct personalities, play, grow, live and die just like other animals. If you were to take a human body and treat it the way animals are treated in a slaughterhouse, by the time it reached the butcher's display case, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Many students are provided with the dead bodies of animals in order to dissect them and learn more about the human body. We are, without a doubt, simply animals.Kevin Ray said:Now if we are animals why shouldn't we behave like them
I'll do my best not to take that personally.Kevin Ray said:Humans are far more than just a beast.
Why indeed! Perhaps you're asking all of the right questions but accepting the wrong answers.Kevin Ray said:if God can command light into existence, why would he allow everything else to follow the course of a manufactured evolutionary theory.
Carico said:Setters are still setters. Chihuahuas are still chihuahuas. I've never seen a Great Dane come out of a chihuahua! have you?
Jetgirl said:LOL
Two words for you, my man: Bubonic Plague.
Kevin Ray said:this so called fundamentalism is the same fanatical faith of christians and jews up until the considerably recent arguments of Charles Darwin.
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