Creationists: can you explain post-Flood repopulation?

[justlookinla]

Dear sfs, Our Earth has NEVER suffered a Global Flood. It was Adam's world, made on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 which was clean dissolved Isa 24:19 in the flood. You have believed the Theology of ancient men who lived thousands of years before Science.

The genetic diversity came from the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived and brought the Human intelligence of Adam to this Planet. Here is empirical historic evidence of the first Human arrival which began in the mountains of Ararat exactly as Gen 8:4 confirms. God Bless you Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Noah's 3 grandsons married and produced today's Humans with the prehistoric people (sons of God) who numbered in the Millions 10k years ago when the Ark arrived. Gen 6:4

Three earth ages view?

 

[Aman777]

Three earth ages view?

Dear just, No. I support what I post with the agreement of Scripture, Science and History. Adam's world was NOT like our world. Human looking people diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago on our Earth.

When Noah arrived some 10k years ago, there were already millions of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who could produce children with Humans (descendants of Adam). Gen 6:4 This is HOW God has already produced some 7 Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) in only 10,000 years. It's a MIRACLE. NO other Hominoid has approached the number of members which Adam's descendants now have. Amen?

 

[sfs]

Dear sfs, Our Earth has NEVER suffered a Global Flood.

If you don't believe in a global flood, then there's nothing to explain. What we're looking for is an explanation for genetic diversity from people who do believe in a global flood.

 

[sfs]

Wow, so there are unknowns. Unheard of. Evolutionists are never guilty of such things.

Again, pay attention to the conversation you're having. I was responding specifically to your (rather sarcastic) suggestion, "Creation scientists publish on aspects of the flood model regularly. Maybe you should try looking them up." Did you mean that or not? Are you just bobbing and weaving?

As far as maintaining popular support for a theory, money is more useful for helping generate endless 'just-so' creative writing sessions of how things "evolved", among other exercises in public relations imagineering.

I don't care about popular support. I don't care about anything else. I just want some creationist to explain anything about genetics from a creationist standpoint. Not everything. Just something. Some indication that the theory isn't completely vacuous. I've yet to find one who could. You haven't changed the string of failure.

Genetics could appear in countless different patterns and Evolution could wrap a narrative around it. Evolution is a fog that settles around the data.

Here's the difference. Evolutionary biologists have a clear expectation about genetic data, and find that their predictions are off by one third. As a result, they're calling special meetings, expressing embarrassment, and working hard to find explanations. In contrast, creationists have no expectation about genetic data, but when pressed you offer up a suggestion that's off by a factor of 100; this doesn't embarrass you in the slightest, and you will never do a thing to see if your suggestion is consistent with other information. But it's okay because "evolutionists do it too."

So the human genome has accumulated mutations in regions that are non-essential for general health and fitness. (I think it's safe to say that if we didn't survive, we wouldn't have survived, don't you think? )

If we assume increased mutation rates in these non-essential genomic regions in the past, then this would explain larger amounts of genetic diversity in a smaller number of human generations.

You don't find that kind of a desperate solution? Mutation increased by a factor of 100, identically for all modes of mutation, but only for parts of the genome where the mutations wouldn't have any effect -- even though the identical mutational processes operate in functional areas -- and then decreases again so as to be completely invisible. These changes are mysteriously invisible in the DNA of ancient remains, no doubt because the remains are incorrectly dated. You think this is a suggestion scientists should take seriously?

It also doesn't work. The effect of purifying selection can be seen not only in the functional elements themselves, but in the surrounding genome, where background selection removes genetic variation.

 

[USincognito]

I just want some creationist to explain anything about genetics from a creationist standpoint. Not everything. Just something. Some indication that the theory isn't completely vacuous. I've yet to find one who could. You haven't changed the string of failure.

What about Jeffrey "an indel with 1000 bp is 1000 differences, not 1" Tomkins?

 

[lifepsyop]

I don't care about popular support. I don't care about anything else. I just want some creationist to explain anything about genetics from a creationist standpoint. Not everything. Just something. Some indication that the theory isn't completely vacuous. I've yet to find one who could. You haven't changed the string of failure.

I don't know what to tell you. I haven't looked into creation research on this subject myself.

Again, if Creation were a massively funded state-sponsored religion like Evolution then maybe you would get at least some ad-hoc storytelling about how all different aspects of biology can be fit into such a model.

Here's the difference. Evolutionary biologists have a clear expectation about genetic data, and find that their predictions are off by one third. As a result, they're calling special meetings, expressing embarrassment, and working hard to find explanations. In contrast, creationists have no expectation about genetic data, but when pressed you offer up a suggestion that's off by a factor of 100; this doesn't embarrass you in the slightest, and you will never do a thing to see if your suggestion is consistent with other information. But it's okay because "evolutionists do it too."

It would embarrass me if the Bible said God created everything in a normal state and let life do its thing. But it doesn't say that. It says life was extremely interfered with after its original creation. I have no reason to expect present day biological processes were necessarily operating the same back then.

You don't find that kind of a desperate solution? Mutation increased by a factor of 100, identically for all modes of mutation, but only for parts of the genome where the mutations wouldn't have any effect -- even though the identical mutational processes operate in functional areas -- and then decreases again so as to be completely invisible. These changes are mysteriously invisible in the DNA of ancient remains, no doubt because the remains are incorrectly dated. You think this is a suggestion scientists should take seriously?

If we go with the Bible, then we must assume some very drastic things were happening to life after the creation, (according to the fall of man), and it is implied that these processes were still "winding down" at the time of the flood, as humans were still living 6 times as long as they can today.

If we do what evolutionists also do, and assume our model is correct while adjusting it to accommodate new data, we can then use the genetic discrepancy to infer a major fluctuation in past mutation rates.

Drastic? Compared to what? The belief that nature can turn fish into humans given enough time and the right environmental pressures?

 

[dad]

If you don't believe in a global flood, then there's nothing to explain. What we're looking for is an explanation for genetic diversity from people who do believe in a global flood.

No you aren't. You had that chance. You are looking for some impossible same state past explanation. No such thing.

 

[dad]

Dear dad, Adam was in a perfect body just as we will regain in Heaven.

Or do you deny that Jesus is alive and in a perfect body, Today? When Christians put on the incorruptible, do you think they won't be alive for Billions of years? Amen? God Bless you

Adam was created one day, and told to multiply. No billions of years before having kids involved. You should face reality.

 

[sfs]

No you aren't. You had that chance. You are looking for some impossible same state past explanation. No such thing.

Stuff and nonsense. Tell me why genetic diversity is the way, based on any creationist model at all -- different past state, billion year old Adam, embedded age, anything. Just answer the question already.

 

[dad]

Tell me why genetic diversity is the way, based on any creationist model at all .

There are many species because, as I see it, most likely, after the flood, the two of each kind from the ark evolved fast. Not some hyped up version of present state evolving, but evolving according to the nature of the day.

Simple.

 

[Split Rock]

There are many species because, as I see it, most likely, after the flood, the two of each kind from the ark evolved fast. Not some hyped up version of present state evolving, but evolving according to the nature of the day.

Simple.

Real simple when you are deliberately being nebulous and vague.

Describe this "evolving according to the nature of the day." What mechanisms were involved? How was it different from "present state" evolving?

 

[dad]

Real simple when you are deliberately being nebulous and vague.

Describe this "evolving according to the nature of the day." What mechanisms were involved? How was it different from "present state" evolving?

If science knew that, or if science knew anything else at all about the way genetics actually worked for Noah & co, that would be an honest question.

What else matters other than being able to realize that it could not have been the present nature? The present nature is all science ever uses by it's methodologies to construct what things 'must have been like'. Once we know that is just hooey and cheap talk with no basis in reality or proof there is nothing left to do but wake up.

 

[Split Rock]

If science knew that, or if science knew anything else at all about the way genetics actually worked for Noah & co, that would be an honest question.

What else matters other than being able to realize that it could not have been the present nature? The present nature is all science ever uses by it's methodologies to construct what things 'must have been like'. Once we know that is just hooey and cheap talk with no basis in reality or proof there is nothing left to do but wake up.

So, as usual, you have no answers, just nebulous "ideas," that you cannot elaborate on. But its all what "God tells us," through his True Prophet on Earth, dad.

 

[dad]

So, as usual, you have no answers, just nebulous "ideas," that you cannot elaborate on. But its all what "God tells us,"...

I would have to agree God told us right. We do not need to know the details of how Jesus spoke and matter came into existence and light and all things. We do not need to know details of how the Fathers lived a long time. We do not need to know the details of how things changed and what exactly they were like before, to know that they are not as they were in the bible any more.

We do need to know details of why you claim nature was the same and therefore God is a liar. You have no details like that. So let God be true and every man found a liar.

 

[Split Rock]

I would have to agree God told us right. We do not need to know the details of how Jesus spoke and matter came into existence and light and all things. We do not need to know details of how the Fathers lived a long time. We do not need to know the details of how things changed and what exactly they were like before, to know that they are not as they were in the bible any more.

We do need to know details of why you claim nature was the same and therefore God is a liar. You have no details like that. So let God be true and every man found a liar.

According to you, we don't "need to know" anything, just what dad tells us is God's Word. Oh and btw, the "liar" isn't God, its YOU, dad.

 

[Aman777]

If you don't believe in a global flood, then there's nothing to explain. What we're looking for is an explanation for genetic diversity from people who do believe in a global flood.

Dear sfs, Adam's Earth, along with the firmament which surrounded it, was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:3-7 It sank in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat,some 10k years ago after it had delivered the FIRST Human, Noah, to this world of the sons of God (prehistoric people), who were NOT Humans. ONLY the descendants of Adam have INHERITED Adam's level of intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

The exposes the False ToE as the biggest mistake of modern Science. Want evidene? God Bless you

 

[dad]

It sank in Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat,some 10k years ago after it had delivered the FIRST Human, Noah, to this world of the sons of God (prehistoric people)

Fantasy. The bible doesn't teach that man was transported to some other world where weird planet of the ape thingies lived.

 

[dad]

According to you, we don't "need to know" anything,

You do not know, so whether you feel you needed to know or not is a moot point. Science knows the fishbowl of the present, but not the mysteries of creation and the future and far past.

Oh and btw, the "liar" isn't God, its YOU, dad.

That seems to insinuate you believe in God and that He is true. Why not come clean here and now and tell us exactly where you really stand on this?

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by sfs

I just want some creationist to explain anything about genetics from a creationist standpoint. Not everything. Just something. Some indication that the theory isn't completely vacuous. I've yet to find one who could. You haven't changed the string of failure.

Dear sfs, Sure. Today's scientists have falsely assumed that because humans have the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes within our bodies, this means that we must have "evolved" from this Ape.

In fact, what happened was that Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other HUMANS to marry. They married and the children of these prehistoric people, who were already here when Noah arrived, INHERITED the superior intelligence of Adam, and changed into today's Humans. Occam's Razor. God Bless you
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[dad]

Originally Posted by sfs

I just want some creationist to explain anything about genetics from a creationist standpoint. Not everything. Just something. Some indication that the theory isn't completely vacuous. I've yet to find one who could. You haven't changed the string of failure.

Dear sfs, Sure. Today's scientists have falsely assumed that because humans have the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes within our bodies, this means that we must have "evolved" from this Ape.

In fact, what happened was that Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other HUMANS to marry. They married and the children of these prehistoric people, who were already here when Noah arrived, INHERITED the superior intelligence of Adam, and changed into today's Humans. Occam's Razor. God Bless you
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Mass bestiality after being transported to another world is not bible, no matter how many capitol letters one uses.