Creationists: can you explain post-Flood repopulation?

[HRE]

I highly doubt an estimating computer program can be considered great final proof for or against something -- especcially considering I doubt that the programmer included the unique old age of the people during these times. Secondly, its not so much that the genes were "extra", but "more complete". They were still closer to the perferction of Adam and Eve to have nearly no misstakes, so offspring could continue. By the time of Moses, however, you'd have more degenerative problems, and it was necessary to forbid the marriage of siblings because of the higher probablity that the offspring might have double misstakes now, instead of someone outside the immediate family that might not share in the mangled ear problem, or something of the like. Heck, we get these races because of different genes. Its not that we have different skin tones than one another, like say a white or a black, but that we indeed have all the same skin tone -- just increased or decreased levels of melatonin in the skin. Is there a "black" hue? Or a "white" hue? Heck no, there's all sorts of color variations between the darkest and the lightest skins, because different genes produce different dominant melatonin levels. The Native American has a redish skin tone? Why? Not because of melatonin but because the corollaries are much closer to the skin level than in others -- once again, just genetic dominance. Asians are "yellow" because the level of where the fat cells are stored are much closer to the skin, almond shaped eyes because fat is generally stored around the eyes in genetic makeup. If you had a more complete genome, your offspring could inherit these traits.

For two people to produce two children who are absolutely identical without being twins, you'd have to have 2 to the two-thousand seventeenth power of children. That's a lot of children... and yet the genetic diversity is still there. That's how diverse the human genome is in just the combination of 2 people, not those children and other's childrens.

Keep it real!

[Edit]I cut this part out. It was a bit too harsh.[/Edit]

You look like you have a high-school education in genetics, and you slept through half the class.

 

[Rowell]

I don't think you're in much of a position to mock me with highschool education, 16 year old.

 

[Magnus Vile]

I don't think you're in much of a position to mock me with highschool education, 16 year old.

Yet, at the grand old age of 17, you have overturned everything currently known about physics, chemistry and biology?

 

[bluejeans]

I don't think you're in much of a position to mock me with highschool education, 16 year old.

AMEN & AMEN!
He only mocks because as the bible says,it is indeed the
Mocker who invites a beating upon his own back.
The folly of the secular mind always says, " I have Rights"
yet they have no right to denie the living God!!!

 

[Jet Black]

I don't think you're in much of a position to mock me with highschool education, 16 year old.

alright, I'll say it then, 17 year old

You look like you have a high-school education in genetics, and you slept through half the class.

 

[bluejeans]

Yet, at the grand old age of 17, you have overturned everything currently known about physics, chemistry and biology?

Wrong again! He just rejects the liberal version of it.
Many christian creationist scientists have prove that TOE
is a fairytale and they show why. You simply cannot handle
the truth because you simply do not desire to live right.
You reject God because you's rather be your own god.
But you are not that,you just wish you could be.
It is the fool who says in his heart that there is no God!
A fool is not someone who is smart.

 

[bluejeans]

Also,check out the truth about science. It really doesn't make all the
crazy claims that the evolutionists slash atheists make.
Science is not at all what evolution is about!
Evolution is a religion from the ancient pagans.
They are part of the counterfeit church of the end times.
Research my good christian friends,research!

 

[bluejeans]

The atheists agenda is,It's not my fault when I mess up royally.
The atheist slash evolutionist says: I cannot be blamed for my sins
after all,I am just an animal.

 

[Vance]

OK, I think it is clear that bluejeans is an atheistic troll taking on the guise of a YEC just to make them look really, really bad. There really is not other possible explanation.

As much as a think YEC'ism is a damaging force within Christianity, I hate those who purposefully mock YEC's in this way even more. It puts Christianity in such a damaging light that even the other YEC's must be wincing in pain at every post.

 

[Split Rock]

I highly doubt an estimating computer program can be considered great final proof for or against something -- especcially considering I doubt that the programmer included the unique old age of the people during these times. Secondly, its not so much that the genes were "extra", but "more complete". They were still closer to the perferction of Adam and Eve to have nearly no misstakes, so offspring could continue. By the time of Moses, however, you'd have more degenerative problems, and it was necessary to forbid the marriage of siblings because of the higher probablity that the offspring might have double misstakes now, instead of someone outside the immediate family that might not share in the mangled ear problem, or something of the like. Heck, we get these races because of different genes. Its not that we have different skin tones than one another, like say a white or a black, but that we indeed have all the same skin tone -- just increased or decreased levels of melatonin in the skin. Is there a "black" hue? Or a "white" hue? Heck no, there's all sorts of color variations between the darkest and the lightest skins, because different genes produce different dominant melatonin levels. The Native American has a redish skin tone? Why? Not because of melatonin but because the corollaries are much closer to the skin level than in others -- once again, just genetic dominance. Asians are "yellow" because the level of where the fat cells are stored are much closer to the skin, almond shaped eyes because fat is generally stored around the eyes in genetic makeup. If you had a more complete genome, your offspring could inherit these traits.

For two people to produce two children who are absolutely identical without being twins, you'd have to have 2 to the two-thousand seventeenth power of children. That's a lot of children... and yet the genetic diversity is still there. That's how diverse the human genome is in just the combination of 2 people, not those children and other's childrens.

Keep it real!

I wish you had looked at the link I provided, so you could determine if the program was reasonable, or made the assumptions you wanted. If you had, you would have noticed that the assumptions included: 120 yr lifespan, women pregnant as early as possible and are pregnant their entire adult life, no childen die, etc. This is why the population winds up with a ridiculously high percentage of children and pregnant women... but this is the ONLY WAY to get anywhere near the numbers necessary for the repopulation effort.

As for the genetics question, what you suggest is even worse than what we were assuming you meant. Please explain what you mean by the genes being "more complete?" For example, how were the genes that code for hemoglobin "more complete?" The other problem involves simple math. Genes that code for antigens responsible for tissue transplant rejection in humans have literally hundreds of alleles (variants) at each locus. How do you get hundreds of alleles from two people who together could only represent a total of four at each locus? The only way is with mutation over a long period of time.

 

[Aeothen]

Also,check out the truth about science. It really doesn't make all the
crazy claims that the evolutionists slash atheists make.
Science is not at all what evolution is about!
Evolution is a religion from the ancient pagans.
They are part of the counterfeit church of the end times.
Research my good christian friends,research!

Why do some christians continue to equate evolution with athiesm, despite the rather large amount of evolutionists who are christian? What's even more amusing is that you then go on to claim that evolution is a religion, and a pagan one at that. Now, I'm not entirely certian what the ancient pagans worshipped, but if it was changing gene frequencies in a population, I'd be rather surprised.

Though, I do agree with your last point - please, do some research!

 

[Split Rock]

OK, I think it is clear that bluejeans is an atheistic troll taking on the guise of a YEC just to make them look really, really bad. There really is not other possible explanation.

As much as a think YEC'ism is a damaging force within Christianity, I hate those who purposefully mock YEC's in this way even more. It puts Christianity in such a damaging light that even the other YEC's must be wincing in pain at every post.

Everyone should simply ignore bluejeans. Either she is serious and has no interest in learning anything or discussing the issue brought up in the OP, or Vance is correct.

 

[And-U-Say]

Is it me, or is it not obvious that nobody has made a serious attempt to answer the OP? This is a pretty fundamental question, I would think the answer would be standard by now.

 

[Magnus Vile]

Is it me, or is it not obvious that nobody has made a serious attempt to answer the OP? This is a pretty fundamental question, I would think the answer would be standard by now.

I don't think anyone will. The stamndard response to a problem that YEC literalism cannot answer is to ignore it, or change the subject. Anything that disagrees with their, entirely human, interpretation of Genesis 1 - 3, is ignored of waved away.

 

[P4g4nite]

You simply cannot handle
the truth because you simply do not desire to live right.
You reject God because you's rather be your own god.
But you are not that,you just wish you could be.
It is the fool who says in his heart that there is no God!

And you are only a christian because you are afraid to admit that you are just an animal who is not special and not chosen and that one day you will simply cease to exist.

Look at how fun baseless accusations and uneducated speculation can be!!

A fool is not someone who is smart.

Whoa! slow down...can you run that last bit by us again, some of us haven't caught up to you edjumacated peoples yet.

 

[HRE]

I don't think you're in much of a position to mock me with highschool education, 16 year old.

Believe me, I am in a position to mock your education in genetics. While I may still be in High School, my education has long ago transcended a High School Education. In the seventh grade, actually.

The difference is that you are content with your half-***ed HS education of Genetics. I was not. It shows; believe me, it shows.

Secondly, its not so much that the genes were "extra", but "more complete".

2 to the two-thousand seventeenth power of children.

Or, it could be in the first child. Or never.

Keep it real!

Do you even know what an allele is?

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Wrong again! He just rejects the liberal version of it.
Many christian creationist scientists have prove that TOE
is a fairytale and they show why. You simply cannot handle
the truth because you simply do not desire to live right.
You reject God because you's rather be your own god.
But you are not that,you just wish you could be.
It is the fool who says in his heart that there is no God!
A fool is not someone who is smart.

...Fundy good, liberal bad
fundy good, liberal bad
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[Data]

alright, I'll say it then, 17 year old

You look like you have a high-school education in genetics, and you slept through half the class.

Ditto.

 

[Dracil]

If you guys want, you can post in this thread. http://www.christianforums.com/t967071

I messed up in my arguments. I realized in retrospect that I was way too lenient in giving them such a huge growth rate. Forgot how much difference .5% can make, and I gave them several whole percentage points.

 

[Jet Black]

Believe me, I am in a position to mock your education in genetics. While I may still be in High School, my education has long ago transcended a High School Education. In the seventh grade, actually.

he speaks the truth; he has latin in his avatar he probably even knows what it means!