Creationists: can you explain post-Flood repopulation?

[sandybay]

Dogs can achieve incredible genetic diversity in a very short time, but humans can't?

Had it been possible to show that the flood actually happened I am sure one of creationists wealthy supporters would have proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt, they haven't so I guess it remains just another bible story for children.

 

[dad]

Had it been possible to show that the flood actually happened I am sure one of creationists wealthy supporters would have proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt, they haven't so I guess it remains just another bible story for children.

The wealthiest One in the universe showed us that there was a flood. Every miracle He did on earth confirms His word is true. Every miracle and prophesy from His people also confirm it.

I deduce that rapid continental separation and rapid mountain building and the ice age happened after the flood, so many things are miles under, or greatly disturbed. They did not look for that, but sauntered along the surface looking for flood evidence basically! Since man and most animals also likely could not have their remains last or fossilize pre flood, the fossil record has been misused violently. Etc.

 

[dad]

About sex and sexuality.

I don't think so. The definition of sexuality to a Christian might have to do with..well...sex. The broad scope of sex education in a pagan school would possibly have a focus on birth control, abortion, perverted so called sex acts being presented as legitimate and equal...etc. If they questions kids that would just end up a means to persecute them for their beliefs.

 

[dad]

We have only vague ideas about how the first life could have come to exist,

None at all to be precise

but we know a great deal about how genetic diversity arises and what it looks like for different demographic histories. Modern human genetic diversity did not come from 5 individuals (Noah, wife, 3 daughters-in-law) at any time within the last half million years or so.

You do realize that your statements are just a statement of faith that modern genetics existed since Noah right? This is a science forum no?

 

[Subduction Zone]

None at all to be precise




You do realize that your statements are just a statement of faith that modern genetics existed since Noah right? This is a science forum no?

You don't seem to know the meaning of the word "faith". All of his claims are supported by evidence and scientific testing. "Faith" is not.

 

[MerlinJ]

Dogs can achieve incredible genetic diversity in a very short time, but humans can't?

Humans have been actively picking traits they want to emphasize for breeding for thousands of years. All domesticated plants and animals have gone through this to varying degrees. Nature doesn't work this efficiently.

 

[dad]

You don't seem to know the meaning of the word "faith". All of his claims are supported by evidence and scientific testing. "Faith" is not.

Actually, I know well the meaning. Rather than obfuscate and dodge the issue just address it. Prove that genetics was the same for Noah & co. Otherwise you lose. I don't believe it was.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Had it been possible to show that the flood actually happened I am sure one of creationists wealthy supporters would have proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt, they haven't so I guess it remains just another bible story for children.

Actually the opposite is the case. We can show that mountains like Everest are millions of years old. That means for a flood to occur we would need over five miles of water and it could not have left a mark. Also wooden boats of the size described in the Noah's story would quickly fail. Wood has limited strength, as do all materials, and eventually you run afoul of the square/cube law.

 

[dad]

Actually the opposite is the case. We can show that mountains like Everest are millions of years old.

No. You sure can't. Don't try to pawn of faith as science.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually, I know well the meaning. Rather than obfuscate and dodge the issue just address it. Prove that genetics was the same for Noah & co. Otherwise you lose. I don't believe it was.

Wrong, the burden of proof is not upon me, it is upon you. You are the one that is trying to claim without any evidence at all that genetic laws changed over time. You need something better than a book that was written by rather ignorant tribesmen to support your case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. You sure can't. Don't try to pawn of faith as science.

Once again you show that you do not understand what "faith" is.

 

[dad]

Wrong, the burden of proof is not upon me, it is upon you.

There is no more a burden of proof to cover what science cannot cover, than there is a blanket for the moon actually. You claimed certain things regarding genetics and Noah. I point out you are talking through your hat.

The life spans and other things mentioned in the bible about Noah's day do not support your same state past gene pool that you pretend Noah swam in!

You are the one that is trying to claim without any evidence at all that genetic laws changed over time.

Science has no evidence.

I do. I have God's word. If you claim something opposed to that you better be prepared to back it up. You will not pass fables here anymore.

You need something better than a book that was written by rather ignorant tribesmen to support your case.

We get it, you cannot show any science for your made up genetics claims about Noah, and now want to insult God's word and people.




As for your dating of Everest, that is faith only. A deliberate viewing of patterns in atomic nature and misread fossils and etc. Faith.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is no more a burden of proof to cover what science cannot cover, than there is a blanket for the moon actually. You claimed certain things regarding genetics and Noah. I point out you are talking through your hat.

You don't seem to understand "what science cannot cover". In fact that statement makes no sense. And no, you did not point out that I was talking through my hat. The genetics that you do not understand and refuse to learn show that there was no flood. If you refuse to learn and understand genetics you cannot make a valid negative comment against those sciences.

The life spans and other things mentioned in the bible about Noah's day do not support your same state past gene pool that you pretend Noah swam in!

But there is no valid evidence that supports these claims. Again, your claim, you need to supply verifiable evidence that supports you. In this case the Bible is not enough. Trying to use the Bible to justify the Bible is circular reasoning. You need independent tests of it.

Science has no evidence I do. I have God's word. If you claim something opposed to that you better be prepared to back it up. You will not pass fables here anymore.
We get it, you cannot show any science for your made up genetics claims about Noah, and now want to insult God's word and people.

Wrong. Science has perhaps the most reliable evidence in the world. Science uses a special form of evidence that is undeniable. It works off of scientific evidence. Scientific evidence can be check and retested and the evidence will not change when viewed by different people. I am not the passer of fables here dad. Genetics is not "made up" since the effects of it can be tested and predicted. And it is only a mistaken misinterpretation of the Bible to call it "God's word". In fact that claim could be said to be blasphemous and a breaking of the Second Commandment.

 

[sandybay]

Had it been possible to show that the flood actually happened I am sure one of creationists wealthy supporters would have proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt, they haven't so I guess it remains just another bible story for children.

Actually the opposite is the case. We can show that mountains like Everest are millions of years old. That means for a flood to occur we would need over five miles of water and it could not have left a mark. Also wooden boats of the size described in the Noah's story would quickly fail. Wood has limited strength, as do all materials, and eventually you run afoul of the square/cube law.

Knowing that I suppose the wealthy creationist decided to keep the money in the bank, wise move.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I don't think so. The definition of sexuality to a Christian might have to do with..well...sex. The broad scope of sex education in a pagan school would possibly have a focus on birth control, abortion, perverted so called sex acts being presented as legitimate and equal...etc. If they questions kids that would just end up a means to persecute them for their beliefs.

You sound like someone for whom the phrase 'sex education' conjures nothing more than shame and dirtiness.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Knowing that I suppose the wealthy creationist decided to keep the money in the bank, wise move.

What does this have to do with my post?

 

[sandybay]

Knowing that I suppose the wealthy creationist decided to keep the money in the bank, wise move.

What does this have to do with my post?

The wealthy creationist realised he would be wasting his money trying to prove something that had already been disproven.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Humans have been actively picking traits they want to emphasize for breeding for thousands of years. All domesticated plants and animals have gone through this to varying degrees. Nature doesn't work this efficiently.

There isn't really much diversity in humans compared to dogs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There isn't really much diversity in humans compared to dogs.

And your evidence for this is...?

I do not personally know which one has more genetic diversity. Dogs appear to vary more in appearance, but genetics may tell another story.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't forget the compost.

Although I consider the Flood my minor forté (creation being my major), this is one thing I can't answer for!