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Creationist have problems with evolution because evolution makes sense.

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That's actually a really neat trick, it at least made me pause for a moment to wonder why it doesn't make sense. :thumbsup:

Here's the problem, even if we assume that an infinite number of "corners" couldn't exist, based solely on exactly how the orange was cut.... you're still applying false reasoning.

By cutting a sphere into 4 equal parts, each of those parts will only have one center of gravity on the surface of what was the original sphere. However, once reasembled, all 4 points would be on a straight line around the sphere. You can either think of all points existing along the equator, or all point existing along the prime meridian... whichever is easier.

Here, allow me to demonstrate:
4corners.jpg


In either case, there is no reference point to give the object "depth". The earth with only 4 corners can only be two-dimensional.

Ergo, even by your analogy... the earth would still be flat.

In order to create a three-dimensional earth, you need 6 points. Representing length, width, and depth.

Like so:
6corners.jpg



Sorry AV... nice try though. ^_^
Well, you could just inscribe the sphere in a tetrahedron, but there's just no conceivable way that anybody thinks of that when they talk about the "four corners" of the Earth.

The only thing that comes even close to making sense with respect to reality is that they're not literal corners, but instead talking about the four cardinal directions. The primary problem with this, however, is that the statements in the Bible are simply ambiguous. Nowhere is it even hinted that they had a concept of the spherical nature of the Earth, and it's all consistent with believing the Earth is flat. But this may just have been due the use of language, and they may have actually been aware of the spherical Earth without mentioning it. I'm not sure that there's any evidence either way, though our knowledge from the Greek philosophers seems to indicate that it's unlikely that at least the writers of the earliest parts of the Bible had any clue.
 
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Might want to check your sources. Abiogenesis isn't being taught, nor has it been taught. Its existence as a field of study might be mentioned, but you can't teach something that doesn't have an established theory yet.


Perhaps you should research it a little more fully.

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Perhaps you should research it a little more fully.

OH! and I suppose God created man by BIOgenesys? Mud is Alive?

If you have no idea of chemistry then you cannot understand how ABIOgenesys can happen.

What do you think life is comprised of?

NONE of the Chemicals comprising life is living. Show me one living Chemical or element?

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What in the world does any of this have to do with whether or not abiogenesis is taught?
 
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But this may just have been due the use of language, and they may have actually been aware of the spherical Earth without mentioning it. I'm not sure that there's any evidence either way, though our knowledge from the Greek philosophers seems to indicate that it's unlikely that at least the writers of the earliest parts of the Bible had any clue.

AHHH!!! We have a Heathen amongst us!
You sir are a candidate for fire and brimstone.
Know not you that bronze age goat herders were far more advanced than our best scientists of today?
Don't you know that the Earth is flat?

May FSM forgive you for your doubts and transgressions.:bow::bow::bow::bow::wave::clap:
 
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Know not you that bronze age goat herders...
Here we go again --- time to close C & E now?

I wonder who'll stomp off mad then?

Seems like all the Type A personalities have already left.
 
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The four centers of gravity (more appropriately, centers of mass) would be found within the lines 1 and 2, 2 and 3, 3 and 4, and 4 and 1. Thus your 5 and 6 on your diagram would be two of the centers, with 7 and 8 representing two more.

You're using a 2-dimensional picture to illustrate --- do it with a 3-dimensional object, and you'll see what I mean.

I've done it with a three-dimensional object (your post made me crave an orange LOL). No matter how you do it, when you slice a sphere into 4 equal parts, the centers of gravity (on the skin of the orange, or surface of the original sphere, however you want to look at it) will always be on the same plane bisecting the original sphere (such as the equator).

You cannot create a three-dimensional sphere using only 4 points of reference on a two-dimensional plane.
 
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evolution does not make sense... to believe all the variety of plants came from a single strain of algae, or all insects, reptiles, animals, and man came from a single cell creature, and yet they all show up at about the same time...

Evolution or Creation? I have to go with God...

Theory by definition (as in Darwin's Theory of evolution)
1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
3. Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.
6. contemplation or speculation.
7. guess or conjecture.

So a theory requires what... you to belief in something that cannot be proven... it is a guess...

If it was fact and not theory, it would be called Darwin's Facts of Evolution.

There is just as much and more historical facts surrounding the documented history laid out in the Christian & Jewish bible than there is of evolution.

The only part evolutist point to is the 6-days creation, and that is simply because we cannot rationalize it with our simple minds. So if we cannot comprehend it, it must not be capable of happening. That is because we have such a firm hand on time and space... right?

The fact is, we have not a clue as to what is and is not possible. We cannot even begin to comprehend what is all posible. We are learning, and we are getting a little smarter every year... but how many times through out history, have we rewritten history based on new knowledge... too many times to count...

Thanks... but I will stick with God...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgJQGqynHOA

This thread needs to be called "Creationist have problems with evolution because they don't understand it".

Your collective misunderstanding of science is the equivalent of me saying that if you can't tell me Jesus' shoe size, then he never existed.
 
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I've done it with a three-dimensional object (your post made me crave an orange LOL). No matter how you do it, when you slice a sphere into 4 equal parts, the centers of gravity (on the skin of the orange, or surface of the original sphere, however you want to look at it) will always be on the same plane bisecting the original sphere (such as the equator).

You cannot create a three-dimensional sphere using only 4 points of reference on a two-dimensional plane.
However you want to talk yourself out of it --- that's your prerogative --- but when God says there's four corners (and says it in writing, no less), there's four corners. There's also a bottomless pit somewhere. Impossible? Not with God.

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Who convinced the government in the first place? And who are ones collecting the paychecks?
Why you get so fixated when the tax dollars amounted to about $25 million spent over 7 years and a few different-odd projects from decades ago is beyond me... Its far less money than the annual pork subsidies we send to pointless island territories like, ohhh... Guam, for example. When are we gonna get those island slackers off the government teat, already? ;)
 
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Perhaps you should research it a little more fully.

Perhaps you should, as well. Seeing as how you got this from my Alma Mater (Boston University), I'll enlighten you; BU's CGS curriculum teaches that the various work on origins of life doesn't yet amount to a true scientific theory, just as posters here have been telling you. Your cut-n-paste of their core curriculum shows nothing about the actual content of the course, which is what really matters, here...

ORIGNAL LINK

Interesting, too, that you got this from the College of General Studies, a college within BU specifically designed to bring under-performing students that show potential, but had a horrible quality of high school education, up to speed on the fundamentals they should have gotten in high school, so that they can enter a proper course of university study by their junior year. Who does that remind me of, off the top of my head? Home-schooled kids whose parents brought them to church and/or the Creationist Museum for their biology curriculum, for one.
 
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However you want to talk yourself out of it --- that's your prerogative --- but when God says there's four corners (and says it in writing, no less), there's four corners. There's also a bottomless pit somewhere. Impossible? Not with God.

four_corners2.jpg

I see... so you're falling back on "I can't explain it, but god says so... so it must be true".

Oh... and there couldn't be a "bottomless" pit. A bottomless pit in a planetary body or astroid would have to be a hole through the entire structure. That's not a pit.... it's a hole.

As for the pictures statement, "Four corners, looks like it to me".... um... where? :confused:
 
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I see... so you're falling back on "I can't explain it, but god says so... so it must be true".
Falling back on? That's my first line --- q.v. my sig.
 
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I don't have signatures enabled.

...and you dodged the other questions. :thumbsup:
What other questions? If you have a question --- ask it.

Notice: A question --- not a whole slew of copy/paste questions from somewhere else.

But I'll warn you before I even answer --- if you can't get past Genesis 1 --- you're in for a ride --- because it gets even harder from there.

So fire away.
 
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