Creationist Challenge: Plate Tectonics

[dad]

.... YEC's would claim in regards to plate tectonics, that God created the earth with age.

No, not me. The perception of age only comes with the assumption that the past was as the present temporary physical universe. It only looks old assuming that.

A full grown man, a full grown woman, trees not seeds,

Man, woman, yes. Trees, no. The garden of Eden was PLANTED.

complete oceans and continents.

No, I think that Panagea seperated quickly.

As a Christian I too had to look at science and Genesis 3. But my conclusions were slightly different from that of creationist. Assuming that everything we know about Science is currently correct, (big assumption)

Only applicible to the present.

the unified theory of everything that general relativity and quantum physics are currently engaged in is not an obstacle to faith.

No, they are not any obstacle to faith. Any theory of everything MUST include the spiritual.

 

[caravelair]

No, not me. The perception of age only comes with the assumption that the past was as the present temporary physical universe. It only looks old assuming that.

yes it only looks old assuming that the world existed before last thursday. in reality, it didn't and we just have the appearance of old age! good one, dad!

 

[dad]

...we just have the appearance of old age! ...

The old age pigmented lense does give that appearance, yes, I agree.

 

[caravelair]

The old age pigmented lense does give that appearance, yes, I agree.

a lense that distorts the truth of the 1 week old universe.

 

[JohnR7]

yes it only looks old assuming that the world existed before last thursday. in reality, it didn't and we just have the appearance of old age! good one, dad!

Between the years of 1785 and 1800, James Hutton and William Smith advanced the concept of geologic time.

It is not uncommon for people to feel there is a conflict between what they learned in Religion Class and what they study in their Science Class. For some the differences become irreconcilable. Yet for others, they do not see any conflict and they do not have any problem to accept both the Bible and Science.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Between the years of 1785 and 1800, James Hutton and William Smith advanced the concept of geologic time.

It is not uncommon for people to feel there is a conflict between what they learned in Religion Class and what they study in their Science Class. For some the differences become irreconcilable. Yet for others, they do not see any conflict and they do not have any problem to accept both the Bible and Science.

Old Earth Creationists would not seem to have any problem with plate tectonics and the evidence that supercontinents have formed and broken up over deep time. The OP should have referred to this as a challenge to YECs. YECs have come up with no answer to the challenge of plate tectonics. Some like the people at AiG and ICR try to incorporate it into a flood model as catastrophic plate tectonics but that is falsified by the heat released, the pattern of sediments on the ocean floor and the depth profile of the oceans.

Other YECs have tried to deny that Plate Tectonics even occurs but the evidence is overwhelming.

Still others try to claim that the continents separated rapidly in the time of Peleg. This is also falsified by the heat that would be released, the massive earth quakes that would have to occur constantly all over the earth at a time the civilization was supposedly recovering from the flood, the fact that the pattern of ocean sediments is consistent with slow separation of the continients and not rapid, the fact that the age dating through either radioactive dates or the pattern of paleomagnetism on the seafloor is consistent with conductive cooling of the crust and lithosphere leading to sinking down of the lithosphere as it cools and the fact the crystal structure of ocean rocks is consistent with slow cooling. Other problems with fast spreading include the massive amount of SO2 and CO2 that would have been released from the molten crust as well as the large igneous provinces around the world and all the other falsifications of the young earth and global flood as specified on the C&E thread archive.

Wild speculations about vast and sometimes contradictory changes in the laws of physics at a mythical "split" that would allow a 6000 year old earth to appear perfectly consistent with a 4.55 billion year age and totally inconsistent with a young age by every aspect of science are indeed a version of the Omphalos hypothesis and are every bit as absurd as postulating that the earth was created last Thursday. However, while I think that everyone else can see this there seems to be no hope that the producer of these bizarre fantasies will realize this fact. They have been falsified "beyond a reasonable, sane doubt. Ask around".

Now does any YEC have anything scientific to say about plate tectonics and the supposedly young earth?
The Frumious Bandersnatch

 

[JohnR7]

Now does any YEC have anything scientific to say about plate tectonics and the supposedly young earth?

I still have YEC beliefs, but I also have OEC beliefs. According to Dr. Wise there is no current scientific evidence for Bishop Usher's theory. YEC's believe what they believe based on faith.

 

[caravelair]

According to Dr. Wise there is no current scientific evidence for Bishop Usher's theory. YEC's believe what they believe based on faith.

that's very true, but many of them like to pretend otherwise. most YECs are not quite as honest as Dr. Wise. many of them claim their beliefs are supported by, or even founded in science.

 

[dad]

a lense that distorts the truth of the 1 week old universe.

......Is a lense that agrees with science and God.

 

[Gracchus]

......Is a lense that agrees with science and God.

The only science apropos your claims is psychiatry.

 

[dad]

The only science apropos your claims is psychiatry.

A pro PO is still a PO. The science of explaining things of the mind neutered of all things spiritual is morbid mental malfeasance.

 

[caravelair]

......Is a lense that agrees with science and God.

no it disagrees, because god told me himself that the universe was created last thursday. hence my divine knowledge of this fact.

 

[dad]

no it disagrees, because god told me himself that the universe was created last thursday. hence my divine knowledge of this fact.

Though you think God, or an angel from heaven contradicted the bible I can assure you it was some other spirit. So, we can't take your spirit helpers word for it, sorry, and since you can't cough up any science for your last week claims either, you are hung out to dry.

 

[Abongil]

Though you think God, or an angel from heaven contradicted the bible I can assure you it was some other spirit. So, we can't take your spirit helpers word for it, sorry, and since you can't cough up any science for your last week claims either, you are hung out to dry.

Hey dad. I am God.

 

[Nightson]

Hey dad. I am God.

I can vouch for that, I'm his prophet.

 

[caravelair]

Though you think God, or an angel from heaven contradicted the bible I can assure you it was some other spirit. So, we can't take your spirit helpers word for it, sorry, and since you can't cough up any science for your last week claims either, you are hung out to dry.

oh kinda like how you can't cough up any science for your merge/split claims? right, thought so. "you are hung out to dry."

 

[dad]

oh kinda like how you can't cough up any science for your merge/split claims? right, thought so. "you are hung out to dry."

The day science can cough up proofs of the claim old agers rant on obsessively about regarding some strange sameness in our past they can't begin to support is the day I'll use the same science to support the split. Meanwhile, they got nothin, I got plenty.

 

[dad]

I can vouch for that, I'm his prophet.

Is his Son Jesus, that raised from the dead as well, perchance?

 

[caravelair]

The day science can cough up proofs of the claim old agers rant on obsessively about regarding some strange sameness in our past they can't begin to support is the day I'll use the same science to support the split.

well, the day you can cough up proof that the universe was not created last thursday is the day that i might give a damn.

Meanwhile, they got nothin, I got plenty.

you got that backwards. scientists have plenty. you got nothing.

your split/merge idea is no more valid than last-thursdayism, and you have not one shred of evidence for your claims. there is no argument you can support your claims with that could not also be used to support last-thursdayism.

unfalsifiable claims such as yours are useless.

 

[dad]

...
unfalsifiable claims such as yours are useless.

Not to those who believe God. Unfalsifiable claims such as yours are useless, however! We can't falsify your past and future as this physical only present claims. Can't be done!! Ha ha ha