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I'm familiar with what the RCC accords.According the the RCC yes.
Okay, have a nice day, GS -- you're obviously having difficulty knowing who I am addressing.A sacrament according the Aquinas...
Then why are you an atheist?Ah but you see genesis was was ALSO created last thursday.
I have a system of partial beliefs that allows me to multitask/play various roles.I'm familiar with what the RCC accords.
I'm more interested in what GS thinks.
No. Perhaps I am not bright enouch for that to be exciting. Or maybe I am just too bright. After all there is more to the world than meets the eye.Do you apply your science across the board or not?
Cause god revealed himself to me on friday, then I killed him. So theres no god now, my bad.Then why are you an atheist?
So do I.I have a system of partial beliefs that allows me to multitask/play various roles.
Then why are you an atheist?
Anyone who believes in Last Thursdayism, and is an atheist, has some serious cognitive issues to resolve.I'm guessing that professing ignorance is a better position than professing knowledge over something we know nothing about?
There is no science in creationism, period. Professional creationists take on some of the language of science, but don't do any science themselves (at all).
Anyone who believes in Last Thursdayism, and is an atheist, has some serious cognitive issues to resolve.
Anyone who believes in Last Thursdayism, and is an atheist, has some serious cognitive issues to resolve.
Anyone who believes in Last Thursdayism, and is an atheist, has some serious cognitive issues to resolve.
If it weren't for the fact he's been doing it for so long, I'd call him a troll.
I'm guessing that professing ignorance is a better position than professing knowledge over something we know nothing about?
As much as atheists protest to the contrary, atheism is a position that makes a truth claim.
That would be an agnostic position. As much as atheists protest to the contrary, atheism is a position that makes a truth claim. Now, atheism can be believed by a person while acknowledging that they don't know that there is no god, but all this shows is that they hold that position by faith. They may see evidence that they think supports their faith, but it is faith, nonetheless.
What truth claim would that be?[/QUOTE[BIBLE][/BIBLE]]
I don't believe you are that obtuse, so make the point you want to make and let's try to avoid wasting each other's time with pointless questions.
That would be an agnostic position. As much as atheists protest to the contrary, atheism is a position that makes a truth claim.
Now, atheism can be believed by a person while acknowledging that they don't know that there is no god, but all this shows is that they hold that position by faith. They may see evidence that they think supports their faith, but it is faith, nonetheless.
What truth claim would that be?[/QUOTE[BIBLE][/BIBLE]]
I don't believe you are that obtuse, so make the point you want to make and let's try to avoid wasting each other's time with pointless questions.
You're evading a legitimate question. You claim atheists make a truth claim. You can at very least tell me what that is.
First, if they see evidence for their claim, then it's not faith - it's a rational belief. It may be wrong, their analysis of the evidence may ultimately be incorrect, but if their claim is based on empirical evidence, then it's not faith.That would be an agnostic position. As much as atheists protest to the contrary, atheism is a position that makes a truth claim. Now, atheism can be believed by a person while acknowledging that they don't know that there is no god, but all this shows is that they hold that position by faith. They may see evidence that they think supports their faith, but it is faith, nonetheless.
I don't believe you are that obtuse, so make the point you want to make and let's try to avoid wasting each other's time with pointless questions.
Wiccan_Child said:First, if they see evidence for their claim, then it's not faith - it's a rational belief. It may be wrong, their analysis of the evidence may ultimately be incorrect, but if their claim is based on empirical evidence, then it's not faith.
Second, the word 'atheist' can be defined to mean anything we want, just like any other word. So what definition should we use? Well, when someone says "I'm an atheist", the definition we should use when analysing that sentence is the definition they use. If we use some other definition, then we equivocate: we run the risk of saying "Aha! You said you're an atheist, and by my definition of atheism, that means you have faith! Nyer!" - obviously, semantics cannot force someone to have faith. If the person in question genuinely doesn't have faith in anything, then our semantics therefore means squat.
We have to use the definition used by self-professed atheists, otherwise you equivocate. So, what is the definition used by self-professed atheists? The vast majority of atheists define theism and atheism thusly:
Theism is the affirmation of the existence of deities; theists are those who make the claim "God exists". Atheists, then, are everyone else: they're those people who don't make the claim "God exists". Atheism can be further split according a particular self-professed atheist's stance on the claim "God does not exist". An atheist who affirms this second claim is a 'strong' atheist: they reject the claim "God exists" as well as affirm the claim "God does not exist". Those who reject the second claim are 'weak' atheists: they reject both the claim that "God exists" and the claim that "God does not exist" - they know he either exists or doesn't exist, but they don't affirm either stance. These weak atheists make up the vast majority of self-professed atheists.
Theist: Affirms "God exists" and rejects "God doesn't exist"
Weak Atheist: Rejects "God exists" and rejects "God doesn't exist"
Strong Atheist: Rejects "God exists" and affirms "God doesn't exist"
This is the definition used by the vast majority of people who say "I am an atheist". You can personally define these terms how you wish; some theists call 'atheism' what atheists call 'strong atheism', leading to confusion. Regardless, when a person says "I am an atheist", they are almost certainly implying that they are a 'weak atheist' as defined above.
As such, the vast majority of self-professed atheists do not make a faith-based claim.
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