Creationism - Lazy Man's science?

[JohnR7]

So how might you explain that?

Stress effects the immunity system and whatever sort of a religion you had seems to have been causing you stress that lowered your resistance.

What you never seemed to be able to find was the peace of God that surpasses all understanding.

Isaiah 26:3
Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

Man made religion does not do anyone any good. Only what comes from God has any value.

 

[kopilo]

I wouldn't be surprised if Beastt had been Christian.

 

[Beastt]

Stress effects the immunity system and whatever sort of a religion you had seems to have been causing you stress that lowered your resistance.

I'm sure you meant, "immune system". And while it's true that stress can weaken one's immunity, I was far more stressed under the circumstances that lead to my first honest consideration that God might not exist than I was under the belief that he did. I still suffer from the circumstances from that time and my stress level, due to my job but moreso to the aftermath of my situation 13-years ago, continues to climb.

What you never seemed to be able to find was the peace of God that surpasses all understanding.

Actually, what I couldn't find was a logical line between what I'd been lead to believe, and what was hitting me in the face as a very harsh and cold reality. Nothing I'd been told about God's benevolence made any sense when reflected against my experiences at the time or since that time.

Isaiah 26:3
Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

I hope you can someday begin to understand why the writings of mere men, who had so little understanding of reality, means so little to anyone who recognizes their complete failures in the cold, logical reality of the world.

Man made religion does not do anyone any good. Only what comes from God has any value.

I would have to agree. Except that there is no God and therefore, no religion which comes from God. It all comes from man. Every book, every claim, every god, every religion, every sin and every supposed savior -- they always come from men and never from any other source.

 

[shinbits]

I would have to agree. Except that there is no God and therefore, no religion which comes from God. It all comes from man. Every book, every claim, every god, every religion, every sin and every supposed savior -- they always come from men and never from any other source.

Knowing how violent, self-centered, lustful and greedy men are, how do you conclude that men made a religion denouncing these very things?

 

[Beastt]

Knowing how violent, self-centered, lustful and greedy men are, how do you conclude that men made a religion denouncing these very things?

The same way they have developed laws against these things in almost every culture around the world -- including those where belief in Christianity is illegal.

Living in social groups offers an extreme advantage on an evolutionary basis. But living in social groups also dictates recognition and adherance to social requirements such as avoiding hedonism, extreme lust and greed.

Even the social groups of animals display these basic rules of social living.

 

[shinbits]

Living in social groups offers an extreme advantage on an evolutionary basis. But living in social groups also dictates recognition and adherance to social requirements such as avoiding hedonism, extreme lust and greed.

If man evolved from animals, and had an evolutionary history having indiscriminate sex, and getting over the weak in order to survive, doesn't man's current social structure contradict millions of years of evolution?

 

[Tomk80]

If man evolved from animals, and had an evolutionary history having indiscriminate sex, and getting over the weak in order to survive, doesn't man's current social structure contradict millions of years of evolution?

Not all animals have indiscriminate sex. Not all animals get over the weak to survive. Protecting the weak, life-long partnerships etc etc. All the 'moral' characteristics you discern in man, are also present in different animals, sometimes even more strictly then in man (for example in monogamy). As Beastt already explained, if it's going to be good for the group, it has a chance to survive in social animals.

 

[kopilo]

I would have to agree. Except that there is no God and therefore, no religion which comes from God. It all comes from man. Every book, every claim, every god, every religion, every sin and every supposed savior -- they always come from men and never from any other source.

I believe there is reason to believe that Shintoism came about from observations of nature. Invented by man, inspired by nature.

 

[notto]

If man evolved from animals, and had an evolutionary history having indiscriminate sex, and getting over the weak in order to survive, doesn't man's current social structure contradict millions of years of evolution?

Not if it works.

Of course your claims here about that evolutionary history don't match reality. Animals have very discriminating sex as evidenced by the complex mating rituals and pairings we actually observe in nature.

It would truly appear that Creationism is Lazy Man's science if creationists can't even describe things that can be directly observed in nature correctly.

 

[AV1611VET]

Except that there is no God and therefore, no religion which comes from God. It all comes from man. Every book, every claim, every god, every religion, every sin and every supposed savior -- they always come from men and never from any other source.

So tell me, Beastt, do you sin?

 

[And-U-Say]

crazy question, but where does the 32 come from, and what setup are you using?

32 is a conversion, the number of feet of water in one atmosphere of pressure.

 

[kopilo]

So tell me, Beastt, do you sin?

loaded question?

Considering sin is a religious concept.

 

[h2whoa]

So tell me, Beastt, do you sin?

I would imagine that the answer to that depends on what context you are using the word "sin" in...

If you mean "do you ever do anything wrong (i.e. harms somebody in some way)", then I would imagine that the answer would be "yes". If you mean "sin" in a religious context, i.e. upsetting God, then of course the answer will be "no" because Beastt, as with other atheists, doesn;t believe that there is a God to offend.

 

[AV1611VET]

loaded question?

Considering sin is a religious concept.

In a way.

Since Beastt claims to be an Atheist who knew Christ at one time, and since Jesus claimed that those who don't sin don't need Him; why would Beastt expect Jesus to have done anything for him in his time of searching?

 

[Tomk80]

In a way.

Since Beastt claims to be an Atheist who knew Christ at one time, and since Jesus claimed that those who don't sin don't need Him; why would Beastt expect Jesus to have done anything for him in his time of searching?

huh? It sounds english, it even seems to make sense when glancing over it. But after careful reading it doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[JohnR7]

Since Beastt claims to be an Atheist who knew Christ at one time

That is a contradiction.
You can not know Christ and become an atheist.
The only way you can be an atheist is to have never known Christ.
In fact he even admits that he never knew Jesus as the Christ.

 

[JohnR7]

what I'd been lead to believe, and what was hitting me in the face as a very harsh and cold reality. Nothing I'd been told about God's benevolence made any sense when reflected against my experiences at the time or since that time.

So you admit then that you have never knew God. You have never been saved and born again. If all you know is what others tell you about God, that is not having a personal relationship with God.

Look at marriage. If the only think I knew about her was what other people told me, that would not be a marriage. I am married because of a relationship that I have with my wife.

2 Cor. 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Can you ever say that there was a time in your life when you became a new creation? When everything in your life became new? That is what it means to be a Christian, to be a new creation in Christ.

 

[JohnR7]

I would have to agree. Except that there is no God and therefore, no religion which comes from God. It all comes from man. Every book, every claim, every god, every religion, every sin and every supposed savior -- they always come from men and never from any other source.

You have absolutely no evidence and no proof for that. How do you know what other men have or have not experanced? The only thing you can know is that YOU have never KNOWN God. You not testify for others because you are not them, you are only yourself and you can only testify for yourself.

Even if I had never known God, then how would you explain all of the miracles? How would you explain all the answers to prayer? How do you explain that I get so much of what I want and ask for? How do you explain that my wife constantly has her prayers answered?

In fact, how do you explain your testimony? Why do you feel your life is easier now that you do not seek after God anymore. Does the Bible not say that the way to destruction is the easy way? But the way of God is difficult?

You just got though saying it was difficult to be a Christian but now it is easy to be a atheist. Does that not verify that what the Bible is saying is true?

The Bible is filled with truth. For hundreds of years men of science have been establishing scientific evidence that shows the Bible is true. The Bible is more true, more accurate, more reliable and more dependable than any other book in existance today.

It is up to you if you want to be a christian or not. You have to calculate the cost and decide if it is worth it for you. But to say it is not true only goes to show us that you do not know the truth. Jesus tells us that we can know the truth and it is the truth that sets people free.

 

[Nathan Poe]

It is up to you if you want to be a christian or not. You have to calculate the cost and decide if it is worth it for you. But to say it is not true only goes to show us that you do not know the truth. Jesus tells us that we can know the truth and it is the truth that sets people free.

Indeed. I became free the moment I became an Atheist.

The truth has set me free!

 

[rmwilliamsll]

It is up to you if you want to be a christian or not.

Actually.....it is up to God.
Unless you seriously want God to be waiting around to see if people will want to become Christians or not.
But that is well off topic.