Creationism - Lazy Man's science?

[Tomk80]

You can review all you want to review. But if you keep on using the same faulty logic and defunct reasoning you will keep getting the same results. If you want to try to fix something using broken tools, then go right ahead and try. But as for me, we are going to use what we know will work. We are going to do what we know will get the job done.

Why do you feel a need to convert people to your way of thinking? I do not try to convert people to the way I think, I try to get them to convert to God and put on the Mind of Christ.

Which just accidentally happens to be your way of thinkng.

 

[AV1611VET]

If the people here who prescribe to creationism are any measure, there seems to be a general lacking of true science interest in exchange for instant answers, even if they fail to live up to the scrutiny of examination against reality.

The Bible was written in such a way that little children can understand it. It uses mainly 2-syllable words or less.

But don't be taken in by its simplicity --- I think it's ironic when people can tell me the formula for Kinetic Energy, but don't know where hydrology or data transfer are mentioned in the Bible.

All the science mentioned within its pages are in seed form, written in the language of the observer for clarity.

And as a general rule, the more adamantly one clings to the Bible, the less they understand about science and the more they appeal to emotion.

Don't count on it. The list of Bible-believing scientists is impressive.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

The Bible was written in such a way that little children can understand it. It uses mainly 2-syllable words or less.

But don't be taken in by its simplicity --- I think it's ironic when people can tell me the formula for Kinetic Energy, but don't know where hydrology or data transfer are mentioned in the Bible.

All the science mentioned within its pages are in seed form, written in the language of the observer for clarity.


Don't count on it. The list of Bible-believing scientists is impressive.

Your translation of the Bible presumably contains mostly 2 syllable words or less. And how do you know the King James Bible is the correct one (looking at your sig)? Have you translated the originals and matched KJB exactly? Are all non-English speaking peoples who read the Bible reading the wrong version and doomed?

And all science in the Bible would be written in the "language of the observer" only if the observer spoke Hebrew, Greek, and/or Aramaic. Otherwise the science in the Bible would be written in the translated language of the observer. Anyone who has taken a basic linguistics course knows that there are multitudes of problems with translations.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Don't count on it. The list of Bible-believing scientists is impressive.

and the vast majority of Bible-believing scientists are not YEC but TE.

It uses mainly 2-syllable words or less.
perhaps in the "today's english version", in chinese it uses characters, in hebrew most of the words are built from 3 constant roots, in !Kung it is written with ! representing clicks, so what? if you are trying to say that 2 syllable words can only transmit simple ideas then you are simply wrong.
In computer science there is a principle that any algorithm that can be written in one language can be written in any computer language. it is similiar in human languages, all human languages appear to be able to transmit the same order of complexity. Some may do it in characters, some in cuniform, some in latin alphabet, but i believe you can not label complexity of transmission system (two syllables) with the level of the meaning's complexity (the bible is simple to read and understand)

 

[kopilo]

Pseudocode, dataflow diagrams and cross compilation is definnatly awesome.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

In computer science there is a principle that any algorithm that can be written in one language can be written in any computer language.

Pseudocode, dataflow diagrams and cross compilation is definnatly awesome.

the reference is to Church-Turing hypothesis and Turing-complete languages.

i am however unaware of an equivalent in linguistics. if anyone knows please help.

 

[kopilo]

In computer science there is a principle that any algorithm that can be written in one language can be written in any computer language.



the reference is to Church-Turing hypothesis and Turing-complete languages.

i am however unaware of an equivalent in linguistics. if anyone knows please help.

All I know about Turing is AI sorry.

 

[JohnR7]

Which just accidentally happens to be your way of thinkng.

Hello, the light is on, but I am not sure if anyone is home. What I said is that it does not matter what you think about it. It does not matter what I think about it. What matters is what God has to say about it. He holds the balance of your life in the palm of His hand, so He is the one that has the opinion that counts.

 

[JohnR7]

your wife called 911.

Yeah, I could not very well stop her when I was not conscious. That was her choice and her decision to make, it had nothing to do with me.

The thing is, if your convinced that there is no God, then what is the use of living? If this life is all there is, then for me it is just not worth it.

The reason I go on is because there is a promise of something better then this. If you say there is nothing any better than this, then it was a waste of time for them to revive me.

Of course as far as they were concerned, they thought my 8 year old son needs a father, so they had their reason for doing what they did. Otherwise the doctor told me it he would not have cared if I had died.

It is a shame that you have to take what is personal to me and try to use it as a weapon against me and what I believe. I do not mind the personal questions as long as you abide by the rules not to use that information against me.

 

[OdwinOddball]

Yeah, I could not very well stop her when I was not conscious. That was her choice and her decision to make, it had nothing to do with me.

The thing is, if your convinced that there is no God, then what is the use of living? If this life is all there is, then for me it is just not worth it.

The reason I go on is because there is a promise of something better then this. If you say there is nothing any better than this, then it was a waste of time for them to revive me.

Of course as far as they were concerned, they thought my 8 year old son needs a father, so they had their reason for doing what they did. Otherwise the doctor told me it he would not have cared if I had died.

It is a shame that you have to take what is personal to me and try to use it as a weapon against me and what I believe. I do not mind the personal questions as long as you abide by the rules not to use that information against me.

Then your lifemust be pretty sad and meaningless. I thought you had children? How could a father say life is not worth living? Do you not have a wife that loves you as well?

This is a tired and pathetic argument John. Being an atheist does not strip our lives of meaning. Quite the opposite. Knowing that this is all there is, means that we should live our lifes the best we can, because we don't get another shot.

 

[Tomk80]

Yeah, I could not very well stop her when I was not conscious. That was her choice and her decision to make, it had nothing to do with me.

It saved your life.

The thing is, if your convinced that there is no God, then what is the use of living? If this life is all there is, then for me it is just not worth it.

If that is how you feel, I pity you.

The reason I go on is because there is a promise of something better then this. If you say there is nothing any better than this, then it was a waste of time for them to revive me.

Is your life not a life worth living for your life itself?

Of course as far as they were concerned, they thought my 8 year old son needs a father, so they had their reason for doing what they did. Otherwise the doctor told me it he would not have cared if I had died.

A strange thing for a doctor to say, IMHO. But do aren't you glad your life was saved, so you can watch your son grow up?

It is a shame that you have to take what is personal to me and try to use it as a weapon against me and what I believe. I do not mind the personal questions as long as you abide by the rules not to use that information against me.

Is your belief so fragile, that it rests solely on the things that were described. Is your belief so fragile, that if your survival was not the work of God, you do not believe anymore?

edited to add: When looking at the post you made, you do not seem to value your own life like you should. When reading your post, I can only feel sorry for you that you value yourself so lowly. If I believed in a God, I would pray for you that you discover the value of your own life. Seeing that I don't, I can only hope that you learn this and tell you that your life is worth living.

 

[AV1611VET]

If I believed in a God, I would pray for you that you discover the value of your own life.

Tell me, Tom; if God doesn't exist, then what is the reason for living, if not to struggle to keep ourselves from returning to the Periodic Table?

 

[caravelair]

Tell me, Tom; if God doesn't exist, then what is the reason for living, if not to struggle to keep ourselves from returning to the Periodic Table?

there is no "the" reason. everyone finds their own reason.

 

[OdwinOddball]

We each make our own reasons for being. Some do so by creating gods. others do it through their family and friends. Some do it by the works they leave behind. The reasons are as varied as the people that create them.

 

[vipertaja]

Tell me, Tom; if God doesn't exist, then what is the reason for living, if not to struggle to keep ourselves from returning to the Periodic Table?

If god exists then what reason has he to do so?
God needs a god needs a god.

 

[Beastt]

The Bible was written in such a way that little children can understand it. It uses mainly 2-syllable words or less.

Compare this to John's claim that after 2-years of instructed Bible study he still doesn't claim to understand it fully.

But don't be taken in by its simplicity --- I think it's ironic when people can tell me the formula for Kinetic Energy, but don't know where hydrology or data transfer are mentioned in the Bible.

It's not the simplicity or the complexity that strikes me most. As Clemons said; "It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."

All the science mentioned within its pages are in seed form, written in the language of the observer for clarity.

Which observer?

Don't count on it. The list of Bible-believing scientists is impressive.

The list of scientist who believe in a young Earth and disbelieve in evolution is pathetically small.

 

[Tomk80]

Tell me, Tom; if God doesn't exist, then what is the reason for living, if not to struggle to keep ourselves from returning to the Periodic Table?

Friends, family, people surrounding us. Experiences we learn from every day, both good and bad.

The ability to learn french, the ability to help my new neighbour find his way around town, the ability to bring a little joy in the life of the girl who is bed-bound and under heavy pain medication because of a congenital condition but nevertheless also thinks life is worth living.

The walk in the park on sunday morning, practicing wushu/kung fu there with the children from the neighbourhood in the evening.

Doing the taichi beijing form, dancing salsa or a waltz with the pretty girl I just met during the dancing evening, being able to progress in my salsa dancing or trumpet playing. Learning to play the tinwhistle and the guitar while singing Irish drinking songs with my friends around a camp fire.

The kids who annoy me by pressing my doorbell and then running away (don't know the english for that), the 10 guys who attacked me and a friend after which we barely got away as fighting should be the last resort (and there were just too many) and then taking a stiff drink afterwards to calm down, the arguments with ex-girlfriends and the support of my friends afterwards.

The last words of my grandma the last time I saw her before she died, crying on the couch with my grandpa after my grandma died, finding support with my family, friends or classmates after people died (sometimes too soon).

Discussing with my friends, family and complete strangers I meet on internet boards like these.

Lying in the sun, laughing with friends, kissing my girlfriend, shouting, screaming, crying, learning, skating, fighting, running, cycling and a whole lot of things I can't come up with right now or won't mention because of decency

In short, life itself is the reason for living. The good and the bad, the beautiful and the ugly. It's all worth living, and I wouldn't want to miss any of it. Would you?

edited to add: Meanwhile, in the last minute or so, I've thought up a number of other reasons also, but they are all in the same veign as above, so I think you get my drift.

 

[Beastt]

Hello, the light is on, but I am not sure if anyone is home. What I said is that it does not matter what you think about it. It does not matter what I think about it. What matters is what God has to say about it. He holds the balance of your life in the palm of His hand, so He is the one that has the opinion that counts.

You don't know what God has to say about it. All you know is what men 2,000 years ago claimed God told them about it. Only 13-years ago, the world saw the claim of another who proclaimed to know what God has to say. His name was David Koresh and from my perspective, he was no more correct than any of those who lived 2,000 years ago.

Neither had any way to confirm their claims but both had the same claim -- to be the deliverer of God's word to men. Do you believe Koresh was a messenger from God? If not, why not? His claim was just as lacking in confirmability as the claim of men 2,000 years before him.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Tell me, Tom; if God doesn't exist, then what is the reason for living, if not to struggle to keep ourselves from returning to the Periodic Table?

For me it's a spiritual journey--the search for love, beauty, truth, justice, and knowledge.

 

[AV1611VET]

there is no "the" reason. everyone finds their own reason.

Like Hitler did? Like Jim Jones did? Like Shoko Asahara did? Like Genghis Kahn did?

Each one had a purpose in life that violated God's standards. Yet, how do you determine who's objectives are valid, if there's no universal standard?

Especially from an Atheistic point of view?