AV1611VET said:
And? Surely you don't think that The Bible fell down from heaven to be left at the mercy of the interpretation of every individual believer, right?
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AV1611VET said:It tends to put the interpretation into the hands of either a hierarchy, or a guru.
No, but close --- it's translation was superintended by God in 1607-1611.Asimis said:And? Surely you don't think that The Bible fell down from heaven to be left at the mercy of the interpretation of every individual believer, right?
For the last time the psalm doesn't support the KJV in the sightest.AV1611VET said:No, but close --- it's translation was superintended by God in 1607-1611.
In other words, God ran QA (Quality Assurance) according to Psalm 12:6-7.
AV1611VET said:In other words, God ran QA (Quality Assurance) according to Psalm 12:6-7.
It supports God's assertion that He will preserve and purify His words "forever". If a purified translation shows up, I have to assume He did it, and not just a handful of translators.dawiyd said:For the last time the psalm doesn't support the KJV in the sightest.
AV1611VET said:It supports God's assertion that He will preserve and purify His words "forever". If a purified translation shows up, I have to assume He did it, and not just a handful of translators.
As I mentioned before, it prevents private interpretation by allowing an independent third party to evaluate what was said. Whether that third party is the ACLU, the Christian Church, or my neighbor. A good dictionary makes a good third party.Asimis said:This is a perfect example of the insanity of the private interpretation of The Bible.
He did give us perfect inspiration --- followed by perfect translation.Either God gave us a perfect revelation or he didn't, there is no need for "Quality Assurance" because God is incapable of erring.
No --- for two reasons:If we are to follow your own logic, we should accept as "Quality Assurance" Islam, because it intended to correct the errors that had crept into Christianity.
Says who? You? Any of the other translations can claim the same. Does that make it so?AV1611VET said:it's translation was superintended by God in 1607-1611.
So, God could only keep up with QA until 1611. After that, He could not keep up with all the emerging languages, dialects and cultures. So, He gave up, (which is a broken promise, with all that 'forever' talk).In other words, God ran QA (Quality Assurance) according to Psalm 12:6-7.
AV1611VET said:He did give us perfect inspiration --- followed by perfect translation.
Dawiyd, what do you have against God giving us His Word in English? After all, I'd like to know what He said just as much as the next guy.dawiyd said:Now stop, this has nothing at all todo with translations of the bible.
AV1611VET said:Dawiyd, what do you have against God giving us His Word in English? After all, I'd like to know what He said just as much as the next guy.
And too, I'd kinda like to think He's still on the throne, making sure His Word is available to me. Is there a problem with that, or do the Hebrews just have a monopoly on His Words?
No --- if it was that easy --- Dell Comics would be printing the Bible.TheBear said:Says who? You? Any of the other translations can claim the same. Does that make it so?
That's real cute. Now let's see you oversee the writing of 66 books by 40 different authors on 3 different continents --- with complete harmony.I am God, personified in the CF character, TheBear. You know this because it is written. It is written for all ages. [And so it was.]
If the time comes --- and I don't think it will --- He will give us another perfect translation. Until then, how about you help out with translating the AV1611 in one of those dialects? Okay. (Or at least help finance one?)So, God could only keep up with QA until 1611. After that, He could not keep up with all the emerging languages, dialects and cultures. So, He gave up, (which is a broken promise, with all that 'forever' talk).
Wait a minute. What am I doing?TheBear said:Says who? You? Any of the other translations can claim the same. Does that make it so?
I am God, personified in the CF character, TheBear. You know this because it is written. It is written for all ages. [And so it was.]
So, God could only keep up with QA until 1611. After that, He could not keep up with all the emerging languages, dialects and cultures. So, He gave up, (which is a broken promise, with all that 'forever' talk).
Asimis said:Who told you this? Where do you get this idea?
For the second time: Do you object to God giving us His Word in English?dawiyd said:Wait you were telling me your English version trumps the Hebrew, so KJV'ers have a monoply on the words, look at your signature, thats you clearly stating you have a monopoly on the words.
Simply, I don't like you twisting Jewish scripture to suit your own needs.
As I said before the last split: all I'm doing is answering questions --- others are determing the direction.TheBear said:Wait a minute. What am I doing?
There was already one thread split to GA. Let's not give the mods more work to do. The discussion of translations is ongoing in another thread, in GA. This is the science forum, not a forum to discuss translations.
My apologies to the OP.
Either that, or you're steering the discussion.AV1611VET said:As I said before the last split: all I'm doing is answering questions --- others are determing the direction.
Stay on topic.Garnett said:The "Goddidit" principle behind Creationism has been argued by many to be a cop-out, an easy answer for the person who doesn't want to ask questions or learn.
Examples often picked up are:
The reversal:
Understander of Evolution: "Evolution is science, Creationism is a belief."
Creationist: "Evolution is a belief"
The disparity of evidence required:
Creationist: Give me one bit of evidence for ToE.
Understander of Evolution: look at this fossil.
Creationist: That fossil's missing a toe bone. Therefore YEC must be correct.
Inability or unwillingness to understand importance of empirical evidence:
Understander of Evolution: Here is empirical evidence for evolution. You cannot provide empirical evidence for YEC because there isn't any.
Creationist: Here is subjective proof of YEC.
Repeated inaccuracy (away from this forum aka the Lie)
Creationist: Look at Y, that is evidence for YEC.
Understander of Evolution: That is false because X
Long pause
Creationist: Look at Y, that is evidence for YEC.
Mostly the arguments of Creationists are things they repeat knowing them to be untrue, or glib phrases, and semantics.
This takes very little effort, and no great amount of thought or study to learn and it neatly fits in with another general theme running through many Creationists which is a dislike of education ranging from smug philistinism to outright hostility.
I suppose to many it seems like stating the obvious to say most Creationists have reached their conclusions based on "very little effort, and no great amount of thought or study" but what I want to know is why any Creationist can believe this aversion to education is what their God wants, unless they live happily in a self-delusional paradox having shaped the religion into something that can best fit their own natural aversion to the rigours of learning and any other prejudices and flaws they wish to maintain.
So I guess I want to know what people think: Is Creationism just lazy man's science?
AV1611VET said:From God:
- "He did give us perfect inspiration" = 2 Timothy 3:16
"...followed by perfect translation." = Psalm 12:7
AV1611VET said:For the second time: Do you object to God giving us His Word in English?
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