Creationism Decreasing in the USA?

[PsychoSarah]

Because I slapped you into next week. Today is the 4th (my birthday). The 11th is 7 days away.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because I slapped you into next week. Today is the 4th (my birthday). The 11th is 7 days away.

AH!

Good one!

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Sure it was. You changed his argument, That makes it a strawman argument.

How exactly did I change his argument?

So what? That hardly supports your claim. What you should do is look at where atheism and non-religion are the strongest. You will find out that the more well off a country is the lower its belief in various religions are in general. Yes, you could find a contradiction or two, but that does not disprove his claim.

He argued that "religion is mainly confined to the poorer and uneducated countries of the world and the US". I disagree, and I supported by claim by pointing out:

a) The largest percentage of the world's Christians live in Europe
b) A large percetage of the educated population (scientists) have some kind of religious belief
c) The USA, one of the most religious nations in the developed world, is also the world leader in scientific publications

Additionally, both Skywriting and I pointed out earlier that Christianity and other religions are growing in China, a nation known both for it's high number of non-religious people and it's government restrictions on religion.

None of these can really be considered rare contradictions.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Today is the 4th (my birthday).

Happy birthday.

 

[Hetta]

No I'm not waiting for your imaginary friends. Will they gain these insights from Facebook? Twitter? Pinterest?

Pleading for "the future" to make your case? I started playing multi-player online games in college in 1980. 34 years of internet is not enough time to do research? I protest:

(Healthcare issues do show some promise of benefit from Internet use. If I could find any other positive examples, I'd show them.)

Internet addiction disorder and youth: There are growing concerns about compulsive online activity and that this could impede students' performance and social lives.

Internet gaming addiction: current perspectives.

An error-related negativity potential investigation of response monitoring function in individuals with internet addiction disorder.

Exploring the use and effects of deliberate self-harm websites: an internet-based study.

Exposure of Children and Adolescents to Alcohol Marketing on Social Media Websites.

Performance of the Duke Religion Index and the spiritual well-being scale in online samples of men who have sex with men.

Yes, I believe what this university professor has published is likely to be accurate. He gives this information in lectures at other universities.

I find it hard to take seriously fear-mongering about the internet spread by people using the, um, internet.

Would you say that as you have been using the internet for 30 years, that you might well be addicted?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Happy birthday.

Thanks, my mom feels old because of me.

 

[Hetta]

It is my hope that Christians can become less afraid of scientific findings. The classes that I took in science (lab and lecture in biology, lab and lecture in earth science, lecture in chemistry) as part of my degree were fascinating. I learned a lot, and I lean far more towards an evolutionary understanding than I ever did. Both sides will hate this but I find that there is room for both some creationism and (much more) evolution in my philosophy.

 

[Hetta]

Thanks, my mom feels old because of me.

Trust me, all moms feel old when their kids become adults. :/

Happy birthday.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It is my hope that Christians can become less afraid of scientific findings. The classes that I took in science (lab and lecture in biology, lab and lecture in earth science, lecture in chemistry) as part of my degree were fascinating. I learned a lot, and I lean far more towards an evolutionary understanding than I ever did. Both sides will hate this but I find that there is room for both some creationism and (much more) evolution in my philosophy.

I wish others had your flexibility. One of the fundamentalists seems to be having a mental breakdown over not being able to accept or disprove evolution.

 

[KWCrazy]

It is my hope that Christians can become less afraid of scientific findings. The classes that I took in science (lab and lecture in biology, lab and lecture in earth science, lecture in chemistry) as part of my degree were fascinating. I learned a lot, and I lean far more towards an evolutionary understanding than I ever did. Both sides will hate this but I find that there is room for both some creationism and (much more) evolution in my philosophy.

I've always liked science, but unlike some I understand that scientific doesn't mean truth. The fact is, there is no provable mechanism for increasing complexity, and every experiment designed to force evolution has failed. It's not observable or testable, and as such it's not scientific. It's a belief system, just like any other belief system. To those who support it it's a proven fact. To those who reject it, it's junk science wrapped up in anti-theistic naturalism.

Science will never disprove a single thing in the Scriptures and God's existence will only be proven when Christ returns. Until then each side will continue to hold their own beliefs. You can't convince internet scientists that evolution is unproven and unprovable. They think they're smarter than you are. They think they're the only people who understand logic or cause and effect. They don't have the capability of understanding that blind naturalism requires even more faith than creationism, because naturalism can never explain firs cause or origination of anything.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I've always liked science, but unlike some I understand that scientific doesn't mean truth. The fact is, there is no provable mechanism for increasing complexity, and every experiment designed to force evolution has failed. It's not observable or testable, and as such it's not scientific. It's a belief system, just like any other belief system. To those who support it it's a proven fact. To those who reject it, it's junk science wrapped up in anti-theistic naturalism.

Science will never disprove a single thing in the Scriptures and God's existence will only be proven when Christ returns. Until then each side will continue to hold their own beliefs. You can't convince internet scientists that evolution is unproven and unprovable. They think they're smarter than you are. They think they're the only people who understand logic or cause and effect. They don't have the capability of understanding that blind naturalism requires even more faith than creationism, because naturalism can never explain firs cause or origination of anything.

Actually, it is testable. It has been tested with bacteria.

 

[Black Akuma]

]quote]The fact is, there is no provable mechanism for increasing complexity, and every experiment designed to force evolution has failed[/quote]

Why do you say things about things you know good and well you have no clue about? You haven't read anything on the subject. You're simply asserting things as fact, but speaking from an incredibly deep well of ignorance.

It's a belief system, just like any other belief system.

It's a theory. Just like plate tectonics, gravity, and all the other theories.

Science will never disprove a single thing in the Scriptures

Science isn't trying to disprove the scriptures. Despite what you think, the big, mean scientists are not out to get you and your Bible.

You can't convince internet scientists that evolution is unproven and unprovable

Especially when you can't even be bothered to learn the basics about it, or indeed, science in general.

There's no proof in science.

They think they're smarter than you are.

In your case, we don't think it.

We know it.

They don't have the capability of understanding that blind naturalism

Science is pretty wedded to naturalism. Which you'd know, if there was any truth to your original claim about about liking science.

 

[FredHoyle]

Science will never disprove a single thing in the Scriptures and God's existence will only be proven when Christ returns.

If something doesn't exist how do you suggest we prove that it doesn't exist? we can't because it doesn't exist.

You will never see Christ return because (apart from the fact that he won't) you will be long gone, how long have people been waiting for Christ to return? your parents your grand parents and every generation before them have been waiting patiently for Jesus, all to no avail.

Telling you to wait for Christ is like seeing the sign 'free beer tomorrow' the next day you're told to read the sign which says 'free beer tomorrow', and just like Christ, tomorrow never comes.

 

[KWCrazy]

]Why do you say things about things you know good and well you have no clue about? You haven't read anything on the subject.

Pardon me, but your statement is a bald faced lie.
It doesn't even merit the assumption that you could simply be wrong, because you make an assertion about something you have no possible way of knowing; what someone else has or has not read.
This is an argument from ignorance.

Two words that prove I know what I'm talking about; fruit flies. Fruit flies have been irradiated over thousands on generations in multiple experiments all over the world trying to force evolution through successive generations of radiation induced mutations. In every case the fruit flies failed to evolve, failed to add increasing complexity and became simply messed up fruit flies. The deformities that occurred from mutations disappeared in subsequent generations when the radiation was removed, proving that the mutations didn't encode into the reproductive system.

Mutated bacteria remain bacteria. Period. You can change the diet of a bacteria simply because that bacteria has already encoded into it the ability to adapt to different conditions and different dietary availability.

Evolution is an unproven and unprovable theory, and yet you pretend that it's been proven beyond all possible doubt; so much so that anyone who doesn't believe it must be totally uneducated and simple minded. The fact is you can't prove ancient history. You can only examine the evidence and come to a conclusion. This conclusion is based on your world view. Naturalists think everything had a natural cause and effect in compliance with natural physical laws that somehow came into place all by themselves. I have a much different understanding; that God created the world; that it conforms to the laws He ordained; and that He alone is Lord of the universe. There is nothing in science which can disprove that. You make yourself look like a petulant five year old when you pretend otherwise.

It's a theory. Just like plate tectonics, gravity, and all the other theories.

Then stop pretending that it's a proven scientific fact that everyone should agree upon. Plate tectonics is a theory but we do see earthquakes and volcanoes. We can drop a ball and demonstrate gravity. Experiments to prove evolution only indicate that it doesn't happen.

In your case, we don't think it.
We know it.

Ignorance and arrogance. Your mommy would be so proud of you. Too bad your sophomoric argument contraindicates your claim.

Science is pretty wedded to naturalism.

If you knew anything about science you would know that science is the study of the physical world around us. It isn't "wedded" to naturalism, it's the study of the natural world. Period. It can neither prove nor disprove the existence of the supernatural any more than it can correctly identify the process of a supernatural creation. God created a mature planet in its present form capable of supporting life, which He created in its mature state. Science can't measure that. Science can't tell us how old Adam was on the first day of his life. Biologists might assume that all living creatures had a common ancestor, but they can't prove it. It comes down to whether you have faith in naturalism or in creation. Either way, it's a matter of faith. Some people understand that, some never will.

 

[KWCrazy]

You will never see Christ return..

You don't know that. He could return tomorrow.

your parents your grand parents and every generation before them have been waiting patiently for Jesus, all to no avail.

You should be thankful that God is patient, because otherwise you wouldn't exist. I'm not one who thinks the Lord will return tomorrow, but He certainly could. All the signs have been fulfilled.

 

[HitchSlap]

Pardon...



/SNIP/


...will.

Yes, ToE is more robust than the theory of gravity or germ theory of disease. Just because you are in denial about this, doesn't make it go away.

 

[FredHoyle]

You don't know that. He could return tomorrow.

Yes of course he could, so could Snow White, Tom Thumb and Humpty Dumpty, if they do we'll have a party.

 

[SkyWriting]

Evolution is an unproven and unprovable theory, and yet you pretend that it's been proven beyond all possible doubt;

As far as natural selection goes, the basis for changes to populations, I can prove it next time my dog has a litter. Anybody can and tens of 1000's have shown how populations change over time. They do.

Now, does this FACT about heredity work backwards to provide a basis for human origins? No. Science cannot work backwards. Science cannot even prove a fact moving forwards. It can ONLY make predictions about the future. If a theory is correct, it might be supported by a controlled test of the theory. But even a future experiment may have different conditions than the original. So nothing can be proven in science. In Math, yes. In science, everything is unprovable. So you are technically correct. But populations do evolve and change.

 

[SkyWriting]

The fact is, there is no provable mechanism for increasing complexity, and every experiment designed to force evolution has failed.

Those are separate issues.

 

[SkyWriting]

The swear-filter seems to have something against Chinese professors.

When I cut and paste,
I need to use the "paste without formatting" option.
My error.