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Creationism/Creation Science... approved by Arkansas house

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by BobRyan, May 2, 2021.

  1. durangodawood

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    Not direct observation.

    There's many ways to reason from current observations and knowledge to arrive at strong conclusions about what happened in the past.
     
  2. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    Plenty of living things, either through defect or trauma, lose or never gain the ability to procreate.

    Probably not; can you?

    What's "life," again?
     
  3. HARK!

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    There has been no observation of macroevolution.

    Speculation.
     
  4. durangodawood

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    So the existence of, say, Napoleon or Einstein = speculation? Or Jesus?

    I cannot observe them. Nor can anyone.
     
  5. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Self awareness might be a good place to start. Can you express the chemical reaction that takes place to yield self awareness?
     
  6. HARK!

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    Those people have been observed. Macroevolution has not.
     
  7. Gene2memE

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    That is the real difference. I explained it.

    To simplify it further would run perilously close to sarcasm or parody, but here goes.

    Spontaneous generation: Not first life. Babies made from different kinds of stuff. No mommys or daddys. Babies just mini versions of big ones. Babies all creatures already seen in nature.

    Abiogenesis: First life. Very simple. Not baby, just chemistry that copies self good, is stable, sealed from environment, responds to stuff. Made from long chains of chemicals. Is last part of long, natural process with non life long chains of chemicals becoming better at copying. Is start of new, long natural processe.

    Well, it doesn't. The fact that you can't comprehend the difference between the two doesn't make the latter the former, or invalidate a single piece of research in the field.

    Your failure to understand an idea isn't a defeater for that idea.
     
  8. JMV

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    Correct word is scoffer, much like a proper way of asking is "who are you calling." Not that spelling is important, that is if you understood :thumbsup:i'm not calling anyone scoffer for there is but One Judge. I was merely preaching about He who discerns the thoughts knowing their innermost intentions, who has revealed all have scoffed. As to your question, all who chooses to remain a scoffer.
     
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  9. durangodawood

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    Really? You cant show me anyone who's observed Napoleon. You cant observe him yourself either. The best you have is documentary evidence. We reason from that evidence to conclude he existed.
     
  10. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Both claim that life can pop out of a rock. The difference is subtle.
     
  11. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    I understand the difference. The difference is negligible.
     
  12. HARK!

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    The existence of these people is well documented. There is no credible documentation for the observation of macroevolution, nor rainbow unicorns for that matter.
     
  13. durangodawood

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    You said observation was necessary to establish facts. Not documentation.
     
  14. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    You introduced a subject of history to make a point. However, let's not conflate history with science.
     
  15. durangodawood

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    The attitude toward a factual past is identical.

    Nothing in the past is observable. I cannot see it. You cannot see it. Therefore the past is speculation. Thats where your approach leads.
     
  16. HARK!

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    Macroevolution has not been established as fact.
     
  17. durangodawood

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    Are we dispensing with your peculiar standard that direct observation is required to establish facts, either scientific or historical or any other type?
     
  18. HARK!

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    There has been no observation of macroevolution. We covered this already.
     
  19. durangodawood

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    What can we observe in the past? I cant think of anything. I think your standard is bogus. I know scientists do too.
     
  20. HARK!

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    Here is the quote which was the preamble to this facet of this discussion:

    If you can find a scientist to refute this statement; I'll consider the credibility of your statement.
     
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