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Peter said they are in chains so how can they tempt us?The fallen angels haven't stopped coming to earth and tempting us.
Is Satan a fallen angel? The bible says he is. Paul when writing to Christians at Thessalonica, said:Peter said they are in chains so how can they tempt us?
2 Peter 2:4 "For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment."
HiIs Satan a fallen angel? The bible says he is. Paul when writing to Christians at Thessalonica, said:
“For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.” (1Th 3:5 NKJV)
It seems that God permits Satan, and maybe some other fallen angels too, a degree of liberty, otherwise Satan could not tempt us.
We see this with Eve: You shall be as God. I do not see how anyone can be tempted by that. Although my pastor when people would receive healings and miracles, he would tell people not to look at him but to look at God.It seems that God permits Satan, and maybe some other fallen angels too, a degree of liberty, otherwise Satan could not tempt us.
Satan is one being. 2 Peter is talking about a multitude of imprisoned spirits, so he's not actually talking about Satan. But I do otherwise think that Satan is best understood as a fallen angel.Is Satan a fallen angel? The bible says he is. Paul when writing to Christians at Thessalonica, said:
“For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.” (1Th 3:5 NKJV)
It seems that God permits Satan, and maybe some other fallen angels too, a degree of liberty, otherwise Satan could not tempt us.
Satan took one third of the angels with him. Revelation 12:4: "His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth."Satan is one being. 2 Peter is talking about a multitude of imprisoned spirits, so he's not actually talking about Satan.
I have not read in the bible that we are going to replace the fallen angels. I wonder if you have a reference for this idea.Satan took one third of the angels with him. Revelation 12:4: "His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth."
We are going to replace those angels. In that we will worship, praise and honor God. That is why we have to be holy and sanctified.
Yes, I can see where this could be a problem. For me, this issue is closely tied to worship. In the passage where Jesus speaks about marriage, He mentions that in the resurrection, we will be as or like the angels. While humans are currently positioned lower than angels, the future roles in God’s kingdom, such as judging angels, suggest a significant elevation. 1 Corinthians 6:3I have not read in the bible that we are going to replace the fallen angels. I wonder if you have a reference for this idea.
Those angels aren't the angels of Genesis 6.Satan took one third of the angels with him. Revelation 12:4: "His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth."
We are going to replace those angels. In that we will worship, praise and honor God. That is why we have to be holy and sanctified.
Do you mean the Cherubin?angels of Genesis 6.
There are numerous problems with this idea but the biggest problem is that Noah was a descendant of Adam. So it can’t possibly work.Hi
Creation again how should we read the creation account in Genesis I believe it should be understood starting when Noah stepped of the Ark and God began a new creation the only thing he needed to create was mankind in his image which would be Jesus Christ and the multitude of believers he presents to the father on the beginning of the 7th day of creation.
Each day of creation would be a 1000 years long and began with Noah and everything on the ark.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
This describes the world when God flooded the world water covered the world to the tops of the mountains.
Love and Peace
Dave
The problem with this idea is that there never was a temple before or when Genesis was written.Genesis describes ancient Israelite cosmology with the 7-days reflecting a temple inauguration.
God created the light by speaking it into existence. Jesus was not created, everything that was created was created thru Jesus Christ and nothing that was created was not created thru Him. That’s what John 1 says.Hi folks
Thank you for your replies always interesting to read makes one think.
So was the first Adam created in the same way as the last Adam Jesus Christ we know the last Adam was Jesus the head and his body a whole multitude of believers so was the first Adam and Eve the same not one man and one woman but a whole multitude of people they started as one man but grew the same as the last Adam.
We know the first Adam died there was no man in Gods image so God began a new creation of man in his image the first man would be Israel.The man of flesh must come first then the spiritual man
When God said let there be light this light is the light of the world Jesus Christ through him all things were created through him.
Love and Peace
Dave
Hi BNR32FANGod created the light by speaking it into existence. Jesus was not created, everything that was created was created thru Jesus Christ and nothing that was created was not created thru Him. That’s what John 1 says.
The sons of God, are Elohim. And this is plainly evident in a variety of places in the old testament. Not just in Enoch.Do you mean the Cherubin?
Genesis 3:24 (NIV):"After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."
The Sons of God in Chapter 6 are not angels. Jesus tells us that angels do not have relations like that. You are talking about the Book of Enoch, not the Bible. Many scholars and theologians suggest that the "sons of God" were likely from the godly lineage of Seth, intermarrying with the descendants of Cain, leading to moral corruption and the rise of the Nephilim.
Who said anything about marriage?Matthew 22:30 (NIV): Jesus says, "At the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."
This passage suggests that angels do not marry or have marital relations. The angels do not become like us. WE become like the angels. You got it backwards.
The sons of God, are Elohim. And this is plainly evident in a variety of places in the old testament. Not just in Enoch.
Who said anything about marriage?
The problem with this idea is that there never was a temple before or when Genesis was written.
The word temple doesn’t even exist in the Torah so if you’d like to present a passage of scripture to support your statement I’d be glad to hear it. Until you can produce such a passage I would suggest that you refrain from the condescending remarks about reading the Bible since the Bible doesn’t actually contain evidence to support your claim.The problem with your response is that there were temples before Genesis was written. Unless you think that Moses (the author of Genesis) had never heard of a temple before.
"Oh but God wrote Genesis and it just fell out of the sky, Moses was just writing direct dictation".
Ok, well when you're ready to read the Bible in its original context, feel free to let me know.
??? There's no word for temple in the Torah? There are temples all throughout Torah. What are you talking about about?The word temple doesn’t even exist in the Torah so if you’d like to present a passage of scripture to support your statement I’d be glad to hear it. Until you can produce such a passage I would suggest that you refrain from the condescending remarks about reading the Bible since the Bible doesn’t actually contain evidence to support your claim.
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